If I was making my list of guys i want right now (and not the future) here is how it would go:
1. Brady (no question in my mind) 2. Manning 3. Big Ben (toss up between him and breese but i think breese is in a much better offense for a qb which is why he has the #'s he does) 4. Breese (might move up depending on this years playoffs) 5. Rodgers 6. Vick (the guy is a winner and play maker. say what u will, but a team always has a chance with him playing which is what i want from my qb) 7. Rivers (talented, but i think a tad overrated. puts up big #'s but vs who? he played the afc west and nfc west in 10 of his 16 games this year and his team went 9-7. im not impressed) 8. Matt Ryan (will eventually move up, but still very young) 9. tony romo (BIG drop off here. Don't think these guys can be the best [player on a super bowl team like the previous 8, but he wins a decent amount of regualr season games and once every 2 or 3 seasons i think he might have a chance of beating philly) 10. -cutler (has a crazy arm and has a chance to move up depending on what i see from him in the playoffs. i have a feeling he wont come through, however, i think he has the best chance to break the top 8 out of any of these guys)
missed the cut: -eli manning (i no he won a super bowl, but i think hes a knotch above trent dilfer in the "my defense carried me to that one" catergory. he throws way too many picks and is too inconsistent for me to put in the top 10, which is why year after year the giants look like a super bowl contender then miss the playoffs. evenutally ppl are gonna realize hes just average josh freeman (dont no too much about him, but to lead a young bucs team in a tough division to 10 wins is impressive. he has the best chance to move up in the next few years as well has matt stafford if he ever plays) -matt shaub (puts up nice numbers, but its normally when there down 20 and throwing deep to andre. not putting a guy in my top 10 when he hasnt sniffed the playoffs.) -flacco (i would say overrated, but i dont think ppl rate him that high to begin with. he was was switched with matt ryan, i think the ravens would be battling with the pats for the #1 seed and the falcons would miss the playoffs)
nice list fish, I especially like the top 6. The thing I realized about Vick and to expand on the reason you posted is that most teams when they get a big lead will play prevent defense to keep receivers in front of them and not allow the big play. The problem with vick is that when you drop your DBs deep there is no one fast enough to prevent him from making a 20-30 yard run, usually out of bounds, which is the worst possible scenario for a defense trying to keep the lead. this is exactly what happened in NY and the reason the eagles can come back from a big deficit.
I would move Josh Freeman above Tony Romo. Freeman put up huge numbers with 2 rookie WRs and hes only in his second season himself. Turned the Bucs around from a 2-14 team to a 10-6 team and almost made the playoffs. Romo went to a small college and it seems like he gets really nervous in big games in front on a bigger audience. RIGHT NOW with the injury to Romo I would rather have Freeman to build around going forward.
Cutler and the bears had a much better season than anyone realizes. (People do know they are the number 2 seed right?) I would keep him at 10 because the guys above him are better, but hes going to pan out for the bears.
Also, I think Schaub gets a bad wrap because of his defense. He puts up good numbers and is certainly a good QB, and I would argue that they "sniff" the playoffs just about every year, but its the defense that keeps them out, not Schaub. I'd move Schaub above Manning, but I really dont like Mannings personalilty and attitude overall so maybe Im biased for that.
Matt Cassel had a solid year and I would prolly put him at 15 behind the guys you listed.
I'd like to hear where you would rank a few guys: McNabb, Kolb, Orton, Tebow and Bradford and Henne
Bradford should be in the top half of the league next season if the Rams can get him a good receiver in the offseason
1st, solid anaylsis on vick, i could go on about him for days but thats for another day. 2nd, i had freemon in my top 10, but then i realized ive never actually watched him play so im just going off a nice record. if you look at there schedule they didnt beat any good team (other than the saints when they were resting players in week 17) so i dont wanna put him over guys like cutler, who asu said is sitting in the 2 seed in a tough nfc. maybe next year for freemon, but i wanna watch him play at least once or twice b4 i do that.
ive never been high on schaub, others have him in there top 10 so im not gonna act like i dont see the other argument. ya obviously there d is the #1 reason there missing the playoffs and not him, but i always thought he was more of a fantasy qb rather than a good one u can win in the playoffs with. when they win the big games i feel it cuz they ran the ball extremely well (see colts week 1 or even week 17 vs jags and fosters stats). just not top 10 in my mind
as far as McNabb, Kolb, Orton, Tebow and Bradford and Henne, thats very tough, i was listening to a bill simmons trent dilfer podcast about qbs (which was excellent btw) and dilfer says a HUGE factor with qbs is there situation (coach, system, surronder talent) and i could not agree more. just look at mcnabb, he put up his 2nd best year last year and now this year hes behind rex grossman? its not that simple. i dont no how to rank them other than henne is last. bradford is gonna b good, he needs some wr and time to grow. but all signs point to him being a stud.
orton is what he is, he put up average numbers with the bears and really good numbers with the broncos, but ur not gonna go far with him.
mcnabb looks done with the redskins obviously and he has never been accuarte so a short passing west coast system does not fit him. if u put him on arizona with fitz or minny i think he could be a top 15 again. he is a proven winner so i wouldnt want minny to get him.
kolb is an above average qb. but hes only played in aboiut 5 games so its tough to judge. he destroyed atlanta n had really good games vs the 49ers but he looks like garabe vs the titans and packers. i feel the worse for him because if he had a year or 2 with philly i think he could be a really good player, but he'll never get that chance and he'll prolly get traded to a bad team and never make it.
tebow is the toughest to figure out. he has every leadership/intanable u want from a qb. his teammates and coaches all respect him and he seems like hes a hard worker who is willing to do what ever it takes which is all u can ask from a qb (see jamarcas russell or vince young). im hoping he does well but too many scouts just say he doesnt have the talent. i think he makes the playoffs a few times but not a super bowl type qb
hes alright, i think he gets too much credit/blame cuz hes playing in NY and from USC. got a lot of talent around him, but also wins a lot of games. i dont see him as a top notch qb yet but in a few years it def wouldnt surprise me
Fish, two things. Matt Ryan at #8? Your high, he at the least is 4.
Tony Romo - gets more **** than he deserves, look what happenes to the Boys when they lost him. Eli Manning - should easily make the top 10 list. Another player that gets more **** than his solid play warrants.
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matt ryan 4?? danny his only playoff game he got killed. no way u can have him above guy like rodgers or vick and if u have him at 4 then u have him over either big ben or breese, 2 super bowl winners. ur crazy.
about romo...were u saying the cowboys did better or worse with him when he got hurt? cuz they were 1-5 with him and 5-5 without him.
i will not agree with u on eli. the guy threw the most ints in the league and they have one of the best rushing attacks and had the #1 ranked d for most of the year. so if u have 2 good rbs, a good d, and ur qb throws turn over after turn over, y do u think they r losing and miss the playoffs more often than they should? he also has really good wr, steve smith was a pro bowler last year and nicks played like one this year, which is y his stats r good. if u swtiched him with aaron rodgers the giants would be the one seed every year. eli is not top 10.
matt ryan at at least 4? over brees, rodgers, vick and rivers? you texted us less than a month ago that you thought rivers was #1 now your saying you would take matt ryan over him? haha ur confusing
This list is obviously a huge area of controversy, and almost impossible to agree upon. Let me first tell you how I evaluate players and rank them accordingly. I make my list based on who I think is the best QB to build a team around. Basically, this would be the order I would "draft" these QBs.
1. Peyton Manning 2. Phillip Rivers 3. Aaron Rodgers 4. Matt Ryan 5. Tom Brady 6. Ben Rothlesberger 7. Drew Brees 7. Mike Vick 9. Tony Romo 10. Eli Manning . . . 32. "Check Down" Chad Henne
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i will however give danny major credit for his preseason love for the seahawks. that was an awesome game marshawn lynch looked like forrest gump out there
do i get partial credit for my prediction that the colts will miss the playoffs considering they backed in and lost to the 6 seed?
Nick, thank you for the props. The only thing I got wrong was Matt Hasselbeck DID NOT make the Pro Bowl, he did play like it vs the Saints though!
Now, i tried to include how I made my picks, but I guess you Neanderthals didnt read it. I rank these QBs based on who I think has the most talent and upside to build a franchise around. Right now I bet you that many GMs and coaches agree that a younger guy like Rivers and Ryan fit that description over Brady and Brees. If I read the title of the thread correctly I believe it says "RIGHT NOW". Not, who would you like to play with in Madden with the best rating.
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RIGHT NOW I would still not pick Tom Brady first to build a franchise around. And I really don't think you would either.
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"right now" does not mean who u would build a franchise around for the future. and i guarentee if that was the case brady would still go #1 over ryan or whoever. he's got like 5 good years left in him maybe more. kurt warner was almost 40 n tearing it up, the vikings paid farve 20 mil when he was 41.
im fine with joshs list but remember ben had a down year statistically because he didnt play the first 4 games
And I have Big Ben at #6, could make an argument for higher than that, for all the reasons I said. He is young, hes a playmaker, and you would have no trouble building a team around him for years to come.
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"right now" does not mean who u would build a franchise around for the future. and i guarentee if that was the case brady would still go #1 over ryan or whoever. he's got like 5 good years left in him maybe more. kurt warner was almost 40 n tearing it up, the vikings paid farve 20 mil when he was 41.
RIGHT NOW means whatever I want it to mean, hence why its MY list and MY opinion.
Nice argument about the Vikings, that sure worked out. Good point.
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my point was qbs can play well until there 40s, not that the vikings made the right move paying farve 20 mil. tom brady is 33. u dont think he has 5-7 good years in him still?
See you guys change everything around to much. This list is supposed to be your top 10 QBs RIGHT NOW. I interpret this differently obviously, as the player I think has the most talent, who I would want leading my offense.
Now the list is what crafty veteran do you want for the playoffs?
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