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MFisH · Negus

Is Stephen Ross the next Daniel Synder?

MFisH · Negus

and btw, danny has already called me an idiot and says none of this is true. i think the comparison makes a lot of sense, who is wrong here...

forster · Senior Member

there are certainly similarities but I think its unfair to paint Ross in this light just yet, Dan Snyder has been ****ing up for over a decade.

6ixty · Young Money

the Phins franchized their NOSE TACKLE?!? smh

MFisH · Negus

ross saw how well the skins did with hanyesworth so he got jealous and wanted his own over paid dt. only problem is nobody has ever heard of this guy.

next step in being daniel synder is to **** around with your coach a little more. who wants to bet ross fires sparano b4 his extension even hits?

MFisH · Negus

uh oh, didnt i say this a year ago!?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/13/ross-should-consider-stepping-away-from-the-stage/

-- Edited by MFisH on Wednesday 14th of December 2011 03:54:49 PM

MFisH · Negus

MFisH wrote:

next step in being daniel synder is to **** around with your coach a little more. who wants to bet ross fires sparano b4 his extension even hits?

jesus i called this back in FEBURARY!

Chase Cox · Blinn College Buccaneers Alum

MFisH wrote:
lets see, ill make some check points and we'll see how he stacks up...

-Goes After big name coaches even though he has one under contract (check)
-Over Pays in FA (karlos dansby) (check)
-Goes after big names who won't do **** (shockey)
-Trades away draft picks for players (brandon marshall) (check)
- Cares more about the entertainment and buzz portion than winning football games (check)

sounds very similar to what dan synder did running the skins the past 10 years.
what am i missing here??

i would be pretty worried if i were a phins fan...

Fish, I know with a win for the Eagles, they technically are still in the hunt, so your mouth has opened up yet again, but I will address your comments.

1. He went after Harbaugh while he had Sparano, yes, but man would he have been smart if he got Harbaugh huh?

2. Dansby anchors the 3rd ranked rush defense, and 12th defense overall. Big contract, yes, but when have you ever heard the Dolphins in cap trouble?

3. Shockey is from Miami, we gave him a look, he never was signed. Whats your point again?

4. Brandon Marshall had 1100 yards last year with Chad Henne, he has 4 games to go over 1000 again this year with MATT MOORE throwing to him. Good point, but I think every team in the league would give up a couple of 2nd rounders for him.

5. What do you want the owner to do once the season starts? Coach? Pick plays? No, last I checked it was to make money.

Fish, you should be more worried about what your going to do with Desean Jackson, and figure out how you could have blown this season so much.

Jpoo · Guru

Not to mention Shockey's been pretty valuable in Carolina this year....

MFisH · Negus

u realized i said those things last feburary right? and since then nothing has changed and the only reason i pointed it out was because pft put a post saying he needs to calm down. until ross changes his ways he is going to be another dan synder and the dolphins r just going to resemble the redskins more and more.

and maybe ross going after harbaugh was a reason why the dolphins went 0-7 to start the year. players rnt going to play ahrd for a coach they dont think is gonig to be around long

Jpoo · Guru

Ehhhh I dunno, Once Henne went down the Dolphins started showing a lot of life. If they could get a half decent QB back there they'd easily be a threat....... Starting Peyton Manning to the Dolphins rumors NOW.

Chase Cox · Blinn College Buccaneers Alum

MFisH wrote:
u realized i said those things last feburary right? and since then nothing has changed and the only reason i pointed it out was because pft put a post saying he needs to calm down. until ross changes his ways he is going to be another dan synder and the dolphins r just going to resemble the redskins more and more.
and maybe ross going after harbaugh was a reason why the dolphins went 0-7 to start the year. players rnt going to play ahrd for a coach they dont think is gonig to be around long

Fish, I don't think anyone is comparing the Dolphins to the Redskins. You are the only person.

MFisH · Negus

the whole point of this post, which was done last feburary, was to make the comparison to the owners. and typically, when 2 owners act similar, then their respective teams start acting/looking similar since they tend to make the same mistakes (over paying for guys they dont need, messing with their head coaches futures, needed the splashing headlines). that is why i made that checklist that you countered so nicely, yet both have top 10 draft picks once again.

Chase Cox · Blinn College Buccaneers Alum

So who is a worse owner, RIGHT NOW? Jeff Lurie, from the Eagles, who will fail to make the playoffs after having one of the biggest FA's since....the REDSKINS, or Stephen Ross, who is in his 2nd year as an owner, and had Chad Henne to work with, not Mike Vick, to start the season?

Chase Cox · Blinn College Buccaneers Alum

Fish, Stephen Ross is in his second year as an owner, you like to jump the gun on EVERYTHING dont you?

6ixty · Young Money

Chase Cox wrote:
So who is a worse owner, RIGHT NOW? Jeff Lurie, from the Eagles, who will fail to make the playoffs after having one of the biggest FA's since....the REDSKINS, or Stephen Ross, who is in his 2nd year as an owner, and had Chad Henne to work with, not Mike Vick, to start the season?

the mans got a point.

6ixty · Young Money

maybe the should consult Fergie before making any big name signings this offseason thou haha i couldnt resist

Chase Cox · Blinn College Buccaneers Alum

Hahah Fergie has got money, that will get you anything you want.

MFisH · Negus

Chase Cox wrote:
So who is a worse owner, RIGHT NOW? Jeff Lurie, from the Eagles, who will fail to make the playoffs after having one of the biggest FA's since....the REDSKINS, or Stephen Ross, who is in his 2nd year as an owner, and had Chad Henne to work with, not Mike Vick, to start the season?

ya thats a great point, take one season and compare it to a 15 year career. owners arent judged on a year by year basis, there judged on there career. lurie took a 3-13 franchise who rarley won the division into an NFC powerhouse and one of the most successful teams in the league. he has not won a SB yet and went all in this year and it didnt work. so far ross has proven he is nothing better than a daniel synder clone. i wasnt saying its over and the franchise is ****ed, i made an early observation and so far i havent been proven wrong.

Chase Cox · Blinn College Buccaneers Alum

I guess you missed the in all capital letters RIGHT NOW?

MFisH · Negus

i guess u missed the sentence "owners arent judged on a year by year basis, there judged on there career."

Chase Cox · Blinn College Buccaneers Alum

Ok, well lets just judge owners by their current year.

Chase Cox · Blinn College Buccaneers Alum

MFisH wrote:
lets see, ill make some check points and we'll see how he stacks up...

-Goes After big name coaches even though he has one under contract (check)
-Over Pays in FA (karlos dansby) (check)
-Goes after big names who won't do **** (shockey)
-Trades away draft picks for players (brandon marshall) (check)
- Cares more about the entertainment and buzz portion than winning football games (check)

sounds very similar to what dan synder did running the skins the past 10 years.
what am i missing here??

i would be pretty worried if i were a phins fan...

By the way, how is Cullen Jenkins doing for you?

MFisH · Negus

jenkins is doing pretty well actually. so is jasin babin and his 15 sacks (3 vs the dolphins). the problem with the eagles is andy reid turned there oline coach into a d coordinator and half there starters on d are 1st or 2nd year 5th rounder or late draft picks. dont see how that has anything to do with lurie tho.

so u made one connection to the 5 i made of synder vs ross? what r u trying to compare here, lurie to synder?

Chase Cox · Blinn College Buccaneers Alum

MFisH wrote:
jenkins is doing pretty well actually. so is jasin babin and his 15 sacks (3 vs the dolphins). the problem with the eagles is andy reid turned there oline coach into a d coordinator and half there starters on d are 1st or 2nd year 5th rounder or late draft picks. dont see how that has anything to do with lurie tho.
so u made one connection to the 5 i made of synder vs ross? what r u trying to compare here, lurie to synder?

Fish you are a big douche, all but one thing you listed at the top of the thread had to do with players. You just made my point. Tard.

MFisH · Negus

haha ok got it. well in 5 years when the dolphins have made 1 playoff apperance and are on their 3rd head coach maybe you will agree with me

Chase Cox · Blinn College Buccaneers Alum

MFisH wrote:
haha ok got it. well in 5 years when the dolphins have made 1 playoff apperance and are on their 3rd head coach maybe you will agree with me

Im just saying, its funny to me that you are bringing this up again, considering how poorly the Eagles have managed this season, from owner to coach to players.

Ross is in his 2nd year, Lurie is been around how long? And he still blew it, what does that tell you?

-- Edited by Chase Cox on Thursday 15th of December 2011 09:02:47 PM

MFisH · Negus

an owners doesnt blow 1 season. an owner builds a franchise for the long hall. lurie has proven he knows what he is doing as he successfully has turned the eagles into one of the top franchises in the league since he bought the team.

ross on the other hand, is consistently trying to make headlines by adding owners like serna williams and marc anthony and messing around with his head coaches, even to the point where pft put out this post:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/13/ross-should-consider-stepping-away-from-the-stage/

Chase Cox · Blinn College Buccaneers Alum

Fish, adding all those owners does two things: 1. It adds financial backing to the team 2. It is a Miami community thing.

What are you, a business analyst now?

Second, you say he messed around with his head coach.....who is not the coach anymore. Ross obviously knew that Sparano was not the long term coach, and he was going after Harbaugh. Last I check, Harbaugh has turned the 49ers into a 10-3 team. Maybe you should be giving Ross credit...

MFisH · Negus

why did he give him a 1 year extension then?

Chase Cox · Blinn College Buccaneers Alum

Who knows, maybe to try and give him a sign that he has support. It didn't really make a difference, did it?

Chase Cox · Blinn College Buccaneers Alum

And, last I remember, at one point during the season, Andy Reid could not tell reporters if his job was safe. So, who is messing with whose coach?

MFisH · Negus

i think the 0-7 start to the season had a lot to do with the offseason and trying to find a replacment for a new coach while he was still under contract.

6ixty · Young Money

you guys are arguing who has the worse owner of 2 teams whos combined record is 9-17 shut uppppppppppppp

Chase Cox · Blinn College Buccaneers Alum

MFisH wrote:
i think the 0-7 start to the season had a lot to do with the offseason and trying to find a replacment for a new coach while he was still under contract.

And they have won 4 of their last 6, which has a lot to do with Reggie Bush...................OFFSEASON.

MFisH · Negus

andy has constant media and fan pressure. its never ownership who has done this. and no, lurie isnt going to give hima vote of confidence or a meangless extension like ross just did to shut the fans up. u might not be able to tell the difference because the dolphins have no fans to put pressue on anybody.

ouch low blow!

MFisH · Negus

Chase Cox wrote:
And they have won 4 of their last 6, which has a lot to do with Reggie Bush...................OFFSEASON.

once again u are confusing offseason day to day decision with the direction of a franchise. owners dont sign rb's, but they hire and fire the correct people in the front office which leads a team a certain way. in the eagles case, it normally is a contender. in the dolphins case it normally is a meaningless offseason headline like pitbull is a new minority owner!

Chase Cox · Blinn College Buccaneers Alum

Pitbull would be a great owner. He has hit a home run everywhere.

Chase Cox · Blinn College Buccaneers Alum

Ok, I'm done this stupid conversation. I like how you enjoy getting me going with this, but just letting you know, it made more sense when you posted it, not anymore.

MFisH · Negus

Owner Stephen Ross, in an effort to legitimize his ownership, continues to create a sense of desperation when pursuing coaches like Jim Harbaugh and Jeff Fisher, and quarterbacks like Peyton Manning and Matt Flynn. Going 0-4 creates the perception, right or wrong, that anyone with options won’t opt to join the team.

As to the most recent swing-and-a-miss, the Dolphins reportedly decided to aggressively pursue Flynn after Peyton passed. And yet they made Flynn a low-ball offer.

If a team is going to let it be known that it wants a given player, the team needs to then do anything in its power to get the player. And if the Dolphins knew that the Seahawks were offering more for Flynn, the Dolphins shouldn’t have brought him to town unless they were prepared to match or beat it.

And if they didn’t know what the Seahawks were offering Flynn, they should have found out.

Under Ross, the Dolphins seem like a team with no overriding plan. No strategy for managing fan expectations via well-timed media leaks. And zero self-awareness.

There’s a strong P.R. component to everything an NFL team does. Ross seems to still have no appreciation for or understanding of that basic reality.

Now, as the brand plunges to perhaps an all-time low, Ross will be even more desperate to make a big splash, whether by acquiring Tim Tebow or reaching forRyan Tannehill with the No. 8 pick in the draft.

Ross needs to play it cool for a change, and quit trying so hard to cure the franchise’s problems in one fell swoop. With every unsuccessful attempt to do so, the team keeps sinking even deeper.