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2013 Nfl Draft

MFisH · Negus

so is too early for 2013 draft talk? hmm NAAA

1. Jacksonville Jaguars -- Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas

The Jaguars made a commitment to Blaine Gabbert this offseason by improving his receiving corps, but those efforts may give them an excuse for dumping him if the offense struggles again this season. They can say they tried to put Gabbert in a position to succeed, and move on. Wilson may have been the third quarterback taken if he had entered this year's draft. He doesn't jump out at you as a classic No. 1 overall, but will end up grading higher than both Matt Barkley and Tyler Bray.

2. Indianapolis Colts -- Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M

Colts management is going to be patient surrounding Andrew Luck with talent, and Joeckel is exactly the kind of building block they'll need. The Aggie lineman gets less attention than he should because Bruce Matthews' son Jake is on the other side, but Joeckel is the bona fide stud left tackle. NFL teams certainly know all about him after watching hours of Ryan Tannehill tape this offseason, and will be watching him closely this season.

3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- David Amerson, CB, NC State

The Bucs went safety this year with first-round pick Mark Barron, but still have plenty of room to improve in the defensive backfield. Amerson had 13 interceptions last season and could insert himself into Heisman contention if offenses aren't smart enough to avoid him this season.

4. Oakland Raiders -- Tyler Bray, QB, Tennessee

If you want to see what an NFL throw looks like, look up Bray on YouTube. But the 6-foot-6 signal-caller has been inconsistent at Tennessee -- in part because he and his receivers have been injured. He's a boom-or-bust prospect a year out -- he's been fragile and could move up to No. 1 or fall back into the pack.

ANDREW PERLOFF'S WAY TOO EARLY 2012 MOCK DRAFT

5. Minnesota Vikings -- Robert Woods, WR, USC

Woods is listed at 6-1, 190, so he lacks Calvin Johnson size, but teams have to realize there aren't a lot of Calvin Johnson types out there. Justin Blackmon is about the same size as Woods and went No. 5 overall in this year's draft. Woods is more polished and will get a lot of attention playing for the Trojans this season.

6. Cleveland Browns -- Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU

After focusing on offense in this year's draft, the Browns turn back to defense in 2013. Montgomery had nine sacks last season and stands out on a defense once again loaded with future NFL players.

7. Miami Dolphins -- Xavier Rhodes, CB, FSU

Cornerbacks have been going higher than expected in recent years, and the Dolphins need to continue to chase the Patriots. Rhodes is sometimes overshadowed by defensive backfield mate Greg Reid, but he's a better pro prospect. You can compare Rhodes to LSU's Morris Claiborne and Reid to Tyrann Mathieu.

8. Seattle Seahawks -- Matt Barkley, QB, USC

Barkley has been compared to Andrew Luck for staying at USC even though he could have been a high selection in 2012, but he may get picked apart in a way Luck did not. Some people wonder if Barkley is big enough, and how much his outstanding receivers and the system at USC help him look good. Trojans QBs have not done well in the NFL lately, but if anyone can overlook that it's Pete Carroll.

9. St. Louis Rams -- Barrett Jones, OT, Alabama

The 2011 Outland Trophy winner for outstanding offensive lineman is 6-5, 302 pounds, and solid. The Rams didn't seem interested in upgrading their offensive line in this year's draft, but left tackle Rodger Saffold is far from elite. Jones has also shown versatility playing at different spots on the line at Alabama. Some have teammate D.J. Fluker rated higher, but Jones is too solid to pass up.

10. Carolina Panthers -- Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia

Jones totaled 13.5 sacks and 19.5 tackles for loss in 2011, and enters the season as the highest-profile defensive player. But at 6-3, 241 pounds, he's not very big for his position. He's caught between outside linebacker and defensive end, like No. 18 overall pick Melvin Ingram in this year's draft.

11. St. Louis Rams (via Washington Redskins) -- Jonathan Banks, CB, Mississippi State

The Rams turn one of their picks from the Robert Griffin III trade with the Redskins into a productive cornerback. Banks reportedly got a fourth-round grade from the NFL Draft advisory board and decided to return to Starkville. But the advisory board is notoriously stingy. He's a better prospect than that. Banks has had plenty of big plays at Mississippi State, including two pick-6s off Tim Tebow in one game.

12. Buffalo Bills -- Chris Faulk, OT, LSU

The Bills focused more on the defensive side of the ball this offseason and will return to building the offense and protecting quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick by picking this big-time tackle prospect.

13. San Diego Chargers -- Keenan Allen, WR, California

The Cal receiver missed spring practice after having ankle surgery, but if he can stay healthy he has the size and explosiveness to be the second receiver taken. Allen got off to a great start last season, but fell off because of quarterback problems at Cal. The Bears' passing game will improve this year and Allen will shine.

14. Tennessee Titans -- Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State

Gilbert hasn't really come on to most people's radar yet as a cornerback, even though many recognize his outstanding return skills. The former high school quarterback and track star could turn develop into a very good cover man. He's already intercepted passes from Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III and Ryan Tannehill.

15. Detroit Lions -- Marcus Lattimore, RB, S. Carolina

Even as teams have de-emphasized drafting running backs high in recent years, three went in the first round this year. If healthy, Lattimore will have the same kind of production Trent Richardson had last season.

16. Dallas Cowboys -- Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M

The Texas A&M lineman is Hall of Famer Bruce Matthews' son, and bloodlines matter to the NFL. The Cowboys are still trying to put together a complete offensive line.

17. Denver Broncos -- Alex Okafor, DE, Texas

The Broncos will jump on the tall, athletic defender. Okafor's linemate Jackson Jeffcoat will also get a lot of attention, but he's just a junior, and Mack Brown finds a way to get his players to stay through their senior year.

18. Cincinnati Bengals -- Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee

The Vols receiver tore his ACL in the third game of last season, but is expected to make a full return this season. He averaged over 15 yards per catch in the two games he did play and reminds some people of Randy Moss.

19. Arizona Cardinals -- Brandon Jenkins, OLB, Florida State

Jenkins fits the mold of slightly undersized but very athletic 3-4 pass rushers who move up on draft day, like No. 15 overall pick Bruce Irvin out of West Virginia.

20. NY Giants -- Ricky Wagner, OT, Wisconsin

The Giants go best player available and continue to rework their line with the next breakout offensive line star from Wisconsin.

21. NY Jets -- Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State

The Jets have done a lot of work bolstering their defensive line. They know Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is bothered by pressure up the middle and may try to get a potential star at nose tackle.

22. Atlanta Falcons -- William Gholston, DE, Michigan State

Teams may have character concerns about Gholston, but they won't doubt his athleticism. At 6-7, 280 pounds, Gholston wanted to play linebacker at Michigan State and probably had the skills to do it. Gholston was suspended last season for unsportsmanlike conduct in a win over Michigan. That anger can work if Gholston channels it toward quarterbacks.

23. Kansas City Chiefs -- Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma

Jones struggled at the end of last season and probably hurt his chances of being a top pick in this year's draft. If he can return to his 2010 form, however, he has the size to get back in the good graces of NFL teams, who are always eager to take a chance on tall gunslingers.The Chiefs could also look at Virginia Tech quarterback Logan Thomas, who often gets compared to Cam Newton as a potential breakout star.

24. New Orleans Saints -- Barkevious Mingo, DE/OLB, LSU

Mingo had eight sacks and 13.5 tackles for loss last season, and the Saints will find a way to fit him into their scheme as they rebuild that defense.

25. Baltimore Ravens -- Ray-Ray Armstrong, S, Miami

The 6-4, 215-pound Miami safety served an NCAA suspension for taking benefits from booster Nevin Shapiro, but enough time will have passed for NFL teams to overlook that part of his past. Perhaps the Ravens' famous Miami alums can help management see Armstrong's value.

26. San Francisco 49ers -- D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama

The 6-6, 335-pound right tackle already projects as a fantastic run-blocker. Now he has to prove he can be an effective all-around tackle. If he does, he could shoot up much higher.

27. Houston Texans -- Terrence Williams, WR, Baylor

A taller version of Kendall Wright. He won't have Robert Griffin III throwing him the ball, but Baylor will still move the chains in the defensively challenged Big 12.

28. Chicago Bears -- Cyril Richardson, OT, Baylor

Baylor has produced two first-rounders on the offensive line over the last three years -- Jason Smith and Danny Watkins -- and Richardson could be better than both of them.

29. New England Patriots -- Star Lotulelei, NT, Utah

Vince Wilfork will turn 31 this season and he's already playing more defensive end and defensive tackle. The Patriots will get tougher against the run with the productive Lotulelei.

30. Philadelphia Eagles -- Eric Reid, S, LSU

The Eagles have been searching for an answer at safety since Brian Dawkins left. Reid has had some big plays at LSU, including a game-saving interception in the Tigers' regular-season win over Alabama.

31. Pittsburgh Steelers -- John Jenkins, DT, Georgia

Scouts can't help but notice the massive Jenkins when they check out Jarvis Jones. The Steelers did draft Washington nose tackle Alameda Ta'amu in the fourth round of this year's draft, but there's no guarantee they've found Casey Hampton's successor yet.

32. Green Bay Packers -- Sean Porter, OLB, Texas A&M

Porter had 17 tackles for a loss and 9 ½ sacks, and broke up four passes last season. He's 6-2, 235 pounds and would fit in well in the Packers' scheme. Porter will blow up at the Combine thanks to his physical prowess

6ixty · Young Money

Steelers losing in the SB? Ill take my chances. iggles came oh so close. maybe 2014! I thought Barkley > Wilson but it makes sense i guess

MFisH · Negus

haha so funny, already power rankins before rookie mini camp haha, jeez!

6ixty · Young Money

yea and even more ridiculas? the 8-8 iggles over the 12-4 stillers!

MFisH · Negus

stillers played a cake schedule last year and couldnt get out of the 1st round. combine that with them being one year older n slower and compare that to the eagles who went 4-0 to end the year and gel n added 2 lbs and a new dt its a fact eagles should be ahead of the steelers and only a matter of time before eagles r back in the top 5.

6ixty · Young Money

haha a fact? you mean the steelers defense who was number 1 in the league and the steelers offense who was the YOUNGEST in the league? please. with the oline we have now (non of which are older than 23) the steelers offense will easily be top-4 this season. if the desfense remains in the top-3... WATCH OUT

MFisH · Negus

that same #1 d who let up over 300 yards to the worst passing team in the league? i dont think u realize how much the schedule had to play with the d ranking, ravens were #3, the bengals were #7, and browns #10 yup every afc north has a top 10 d apparently. have fun playing the nfc east and an improved afc west i guarentee those teams wont have that ranking next year.

yes the steelers oline has improved, but thet are still young and rookies which are going to struggle early on esp playing the eagles n the giants dlines early in the year.

FACTS:

Eagles > stillers

heat > bulls

flyers > pengiuns

6ixty · Young Money

ok fish... lets put all the stock into 1 PLAY in 1 game. iggles were the undefeated dream team last year no? if youre gonna put all the emphasis on the playoof game (which the eagles werent a part of) you gotta look at their losses to the seahawks, cardinals and other bad teams. if its all about strength of schedule, they couldnt even beat them, the steelers beat who they were supposed to and the eagles couldnt even do that.

as for the bulls and heat, well never know what would have happened in the playoffs. the bulls were the #1 seed so to say heat > bulls is laughable.

flyers are a good team and beat the penguins but you have no nhl knowledge so im not even gonna start on that one.

MFisH · Negus

im joking about the eagles n steelers. its a new year. plus they play in week 5 so we'll have our answer

btw, remember last year around this time when every1 was saying eagles have a 1-2 year window cuz of the salary cap? well guess what, after the draft they have the most cap space in the ENTIRE NFL at over 21 mil. ya, 2 year window my ass.

6ixty · Young Money

they should sign a bunch of overpriced overrated free agents!

MFisH · Negus

REDEEM TEAM

MFisH · Negus

i didnt realize wallace was asking to be the highest paid player in nfl history, changes things. but ur right, way too early for all this, but its gotta be on the steelers mind.

-- Edited by MFisH on Wednesday 9th of May 2012 07:59:07 PM

6ixty · Young Money

good thing they drafted the next-gen antonio brown in the 7th round: toney clemons!

6ixty · Young Money

besides steelers dont need to pay any WR a second contract. the way they draft they can just grab the replacement pro-bowler in a later round every year and give them a rookie contract then let them walk :)

MFisH · Negus

can someone please post mel kipers 2013 big board thats on the front page of espn right now

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story?id=7904173&_slug_=2013-nfl-draft-mel-kiper-first-big-board-year&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fstory%3fid%3d7904173%26_slug_%3d2013-nfl-draft-mel-kiper-first-big-board-year

6ixty · Young Money

1

Matt Barkley

AGE: 21

DOB: 9/8/90

HT: 6-2

WT: 224

POS: QB

Comp 308

Att 446

Pct 69.1

Yds 3,528

TD 39

Int 7

Would have battled Robert Griffin III to be No. 2 QB taken had he been in the 2012 draft. Will have very good competition to be the No. 1 QB taken in 2013. Strong, but not a huge arm; very good accuracy, poise, leadership skills and a ton of experience. Improvement each year, expanding his skill-set.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

2

Jarvis Jones *

AGE: 22

DOB: 10/13/89

HT: 6-3

WT: 241

POS: OLB

Tkl 70

Sack 13.5

Int 0

Explosive, relentless edge rusher, profiles well as a 3-4 OLB. Great first step, violent hands, extremely good burst off the snap, tackles well, closes fast. Could improve against run, but coaches there also tell me people don't realize how well he can cover.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

3

Barkevious Mingo *

AGE: 21

DOB: 10/4/90

HT: 6-5

WT: 242

POS: DE

Tkl 46

Sack 7.0

Int 0

Exceptional length, still adding refinement, but he's well past a mere "athlete" label. Very good pass rusher, able to use speed to get up the field and turn the corner. Still learning concepts after late start in football, but reads game well given lack of experience. Upside city.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

4

Logan Thomas *

AGE: 20

DOB: 7/1/91

HT: 6-6

WT: 262

POS: QB

Comp 234

Att 391

Pct 59.8

Yds 3,013

TD 19

Int 10

Elite size, elite arm strength, and still scratching the surface as a passer. Overlooked: has very goodmechanics. Can drive the ball downfield, but displays nice touch. Accuracy and the ability to work through reads are areas of development. Working hard off the field. New O-line this year.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

5

Sam Montgomery *

AGE: 21

DOB: 5/25/90

HT: 6-4

WT: 245

POS: DE

Tkl 49

Sack 9.0

Int 0

Lacks the frame of a 4-3 DE at next level, but could still get there, because his frame can handle it. Athleticism and rush skills are there, underrated against the run. Max-effort player, natural athlete, instinctive pass-rusher. Can he drop hips as a LB at next level? Still a lot of projection left.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

6

D.J. Fluker *

AGE: 21

DOB: 3/13/91

HT: 6-6

WT: 335

POS: OT

GP 13

GS 13

Strength is pass-blocking; quick feet for his size and can ride a speed rush up the field. Must improve ability to use size and engage and drive defenders as a run-blocker. Can dominatehere if pad level improves. A lot of natural talent, but development left.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

7

Robert Woods *

AGE: 20

DOB: 4/10/92

HT: 6-1

WT: 185

POS: WR

Rec 111

Yds 1,292

Avg 11.6

TD 15

Refined, quick, crafty and productive receiver with soft hands and ability to create big plays after the catch. Gets off the line well, uses space along sidelines and in the corners of the end zone like a pro. Has a second gear to beat defenders deep.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

8

David Amerson *

AGE: 20

DOB: 12/8/91

HT: 6-3

WT: 189

POS: CB

Tkl 59

Sack 0

Int 13

Exceptional cover skills, with instincts and ability of a ballhawk. Size and speed to match up with any receiver, but plays with a sense of when to jump from routes and dive into passing lanes. Led nation in INTs last year. Very competitive kid.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

9

Star Lotulelei

AGE: 22

DOB: 12/20/89

HT: 6-4

WT: 325

POS: DT

Tkl 43

Sack 1.5

Int 13

Demands a double-team, clogging up the middle of the field. A great sense for how to disrupt the run game, with power to bull rush and penetrate. Explodes off the ball, with great upper body strength.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

10

Manti Te'o

AGE: 21

DOB: 1/26/91

HT: 6-2

WT: 255

POS: LB

Tkl 128

Sack 5.0

Int 0

Would have been second interior linebacker taken in 2012 draft after Luke Kuechly. Developed in 2011, showing blitzing skills. Big, strong tackling presence in the middle of the field. Reads plays well and gets through traffic.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

11

Johnathan Hankins *

AGE:

DOB:

HT: 6-3

WT: 335

POS: DT

Tkl 66

Sack 2.0

Int 0

Gets off the line with an explosive first step; just moves tremendously well for his size. Drives opposing blockers into the backfield. Size of a nose tackle, but agile enough to be moved around. Very disruptive force on the line.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

12

Taylor Lewan *

AGE: 21

DOB: 7/21/91

HT: 6-8

WT: 302

POS: OT

GP 13

GS 13

Will get the Jake Long comparisons all year in Ann Arbor. Elite length and athleticism for the position, profiles as a left tackle. Long arms, able to move with and swat away speed rushers. Underrated power as a run-blocker given his frame.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

13

Tyler Wilson

AGE: 22

DOB: 8/16/89

HT: 6-3

WT: 220

POS: QB

Comp 277

Att 438

Pct 63.2

Yds 3,638

TD 24

Int 6

A deft passer, he calibrates his throws well, not over-throwing. Maybe the best passer in the class right now in terms of his ability to stare down pressure and deliver passes on time, and in stride. Could challenge the top of the board.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

14

Johnny Adams

AGE: 22

DOB: 6/9/89

HT: 5-11

WT: 178

POS: CB

Tkl 57

Sack 3.0

Int 3

Sound and instinctive zone corner, he attacks what he sees really well. Lacks elite size, but takes on bigger players and tackles well. Really good blitzer. Needs work on his man game, but very competitive. Great ball skills.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

15

Kawann Short

AGE: 23

DOB: 2/2/89

HT: 6-3

WT: 312

POS: DT

Tkl 54

Sack 6.5

Int 0

Controls the line of scrimmage, not overly explosive, but uses his hands well to clear blocks and was constantly in the backfield. A better fit in a 4-3. Big question: can he stay consistent? Good athlete -- can dunk a basketball.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

16

Luke Joeckel *

AGE: 21

DOB: 11/6/91

HT: 6-6

WT: 310

POS: OT

GP 13

GS 13

A starter at left tackle since he landed in College Station, Joeckel specializes in pass protection and doesn't get rattled by quickness or secondary moves. Not an elite athlete, he's a good technician and could rise on the board.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

17

William Gholston *

AGE: 21

DOB: 7/31/91

HT: 6-7

WT: 274

POS: DE

Tkl 70

Sack 5.0

Int 0

Great length and frame, with very good pass-rushing skills. Has grown into frame; now has solid 4-3 DE size. Experience shows; reads the play well, knowing when to go wide or come inside against the run. Could be in line for a huge year.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

18

Keenan Allen *

AGE: 20

DOB: 4/27/92

HT: 6-3

WT: 206

POS: WR

Rec 98

Yds 1,343

Avg 13.7

TD 6

Would have been a great safety, too. Strong hands, catches the ball with ease. Sets up defenders, sees the field well, settling in creases against zones. Not a total burner, but can sell short routes and break deep. Great run-after-catch skills.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

19

Marcus Lattimore *

AGE: 20

DOB: 10/29/91

HT: 6-0

WT: 232

POS: RB

Rush 163

Yds 818

Avg 5.0

TD 10

Will be watched closely as he comes back from an ACL injury. Should be full speed by the time the season gets going. Explosive, tighly-packed player who packs a punch but moves better than a player his size should. Elite if healthy.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

20

Xavier Rhodes *

AGE: 21

DOB: 6/19/90

HT: 6-2

WT: 209

POS: CB

Tkl 43

Sack 0

Int 1

Don't be fooled by the lack of interceptions -- you can't pick off passes when QBs consistently throw away from you. A starter since his freshman season, Rhodes has elite size, handles deep routes well, and can hang with smaller WRs. Solid prospect.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

21

Le'Veon Bell *

AGE: 20

DOB: 2/18/92

HT: 6-2

WT: 238

POS: RB

Rush 182

Yds 948

Avg 5.2

TD 13

Big, bruising back who follows blocks well and will run over tacklers. Split carries the last two seasons, but might carry a bigger load in 2012. Not a burner, but has quick feet and can get wide where he won't run out of bounds. Finishes forward.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

22

Johnthan Banks

AGE: 22

DOB: 10/3/89

HT: 6-2

WT: 185

POS: CB

Tkl 71

Sack 3.0

Int 5

A very good man corner, he's excellent in his backpedal and turns well. Plenty of speed to stay with speedy WRs, has length to battle up high. A little slight, not considered physical, but tape shows he challenged line of scrimmage, piled up tackles for loss.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

23

Corey Lemonier *

AGE: 21

DOB: 2/19/91

HT: 6-4

WT: 245

POS: DE

Tkl 47

Sack 9.5

Int 0

Still light for a defensive end prospect, Lemonier could probably add some muscle to his frame without giving away too much speed. He thrives on quickness, with great burst off the snap and a few counters. A natural pass-rusher, he'll be one to watch.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

24

Ricky Wagner

AGE: 22

DOB: 10/21/89

HT: 6-6

WT: 320

POS: OT

GP 14

GS 14

Good combination of size and quickness, with good skills as a pass blocker, but looking to improve as a run-blocker, where he can play a little high. Will need to continue to develop.

LAST WEEK: NA | PLAYER CARD

25

Tyler Eifert *

AGE: 21

DOB: 9/8/90

HT: 6-6

WT: 251

POS: TE

Rec 63

Yds 803

Avg 12.7

TD 5

The blocking tight end is a bit of a misnomer in the NFL -- there just aren't that many, and coaches aren't looking. Eifert is the new class; a former WR, he catches the ball with ease and can split out and create size mismatches and stretch the seams. Top TE in the class.

MFisH · Negus

funny how kiper has tyler wilson at #13 but the si.com guy had him #1 in his mock draft.

nick robert woods would be a good pick up for the steelers next year since there gonna lose at least 1 of their wrs next year and most likly will have a top 10 pick...mark it down!

6ixty · Young Money

ok ill mark that down. wanna put some money on it?

Jpoo · Guru

How can they possibly afford BOTH Brown and Wallace, one has to walk, it's a simple numbers game.

MFisH · Negus

wallace is a goner. he is asking for too much money n the steelers rnt gonna be able to hold him to a restricted tag again at 2mil. eventually restructing all these contracts is gonna catch up to them and there gonna have to let go of ppl.

6ixty · Young Money

funny, i read that same exact post in february. lets see what happens.

MFisH · Negus

what would u rather have:

djax at his contract or mike wallace at what he wants?

Jpoo · Guru

Neither:

Gimme Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks all day

6ixty · Young Money

what he wants or what he gets?

ppl dont realize that a big reason wallace asked for so much money was because he WANTED TO STAY WITH THE STEELERS and throwing out a contract like fitz is a win/win for him

MFisH · Negus

6ixty wrote:

ppl dont realize that a big reason wallace asked for so much money was because he WANTED TO STAY WITH THE STEELERS and throwing out a contract like fitz is a win/win for him

u honestly believe this? all players want the most amount of money they can get regardless of the team. if he wanted to stay with the steeler so bad do u care to explain why he hasnt signed their contract tender they put on him back in march? oh ya, and what about the report that he might hold out? must be dieing to play for the steelers he's even willing to miss time with them! give me a break haha

http://gantdaily.com/2012/04/23/steelers-wr-mike-wallace-considering-holdout-to-get-new-deal/

6ixty · Young Money

bid difference between 2 mill and what he actually deserves. im not so sure hes gone after this year.

6ixty · Young Money

joe flacco was #74 on the NFL top-100. 10 QBs raking above him. but i thought he was the best QB in the league? lets see if we can name them all

For sure:
Ben
Brady
Brees
Rogers
Newton
Eli
Stafford
Rivers

Last 2 spots
Ryan//Manning/schaub/romo/vick/Dalton/gabbert???

id say ryan romo and vick are def above him and maybe gabbert. and thats not even taking manning into consideration. which two will it be?

MFisH · Negus

6ixty wrote:
i think so. he was a pro bowler last season, was anyone else 100-80?
http://www.nfl.com/top100/2012
no steeler in the top 20 yet. i would be surprised if brown made the top 70, ahead of guys like desean jackson, jordy nelson and hakeem nicks who have already been named.

josh, i would be very surprised if osi was on there.

-- Edited by MFisH on Thursday 10th of May 2012 07:49:50 PM

Jpoo · Guru

You're starting to sound like Fish here Nick.

6ixty · Young Money

oh no the world really must be coming to an end.

MFisH · Negus

6ixty wrote:
joe flacco was #74 on the NFL top-100. 10 QBs raking above him. but i thought he was the best QB in the league? lets see if we can name them all

For sure:
Ben
Brady
Brees
Rogers
Newton
Eli
Stafford
Rivers

Last 2 spots
Ryan//Manning/schaub/romo/vick/Dalton/gabbert???

id say ryan romo and vick are def above him and maybe gabbert. and thats not even taking manning into consideration. which two will it be?

- gabbert wouldnt make the top 100 QB's let alone the top 100 players.

- id be stunned if dalton was ranked that high so lets cross him off

- romo was ranked in the 90's so its not him.

- shaub was hurt last year so i doubt he makes it

that leaves vick, ryan and manning. i think manning is a lock so theres 1. my guess would be vick, even tho he was hurt most of last year the players still love him n respect him so i think he makes the list

more importantly how many eagles make the list:

- nnamdi (79)

- djax (71)

locks:

- shady

- cole
- peters

strong possibilties:

- vick

- babin

7 players in the top 100 aint too shabby

6ixty · Young Money

real question is who will be higher... WALLACE OR B MARSHALL????

MFisH · Negus

that is a good question. nick, does ur boy antiono brown make the top 70?

6ixty · Young Money

i think so. he was a pro bowler last season, was anyone else 100-80?

Jpoo · Guru

SO lets see we got Hakeem Nicks on the list already. Thats one.

Victory (that was originally a spelling error but I liked it so much i left it) Cruz is gonna be on there somewhere

As will Elisha

as will JPP

as will Tuck

Maybe Osi

wouldn't surprise me to see Corey Webster in there either, if he isn't it's a travesty.

So all in all should be 6-7 Giants on the list as well. I'll take it.

6ixty · Young Money

all the steelers will be in the top-20 not the bottom-20

Jpoo · Guru

Yeha looking at his stats for this past year I'll have to agree with you for once fish