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6ixty · Young Money

'14-15 NFL Talk

Jpoo · Guru

Mike Adams was getting BEAT like a red headed step child, YEESH!

Dri Archer YIKES Hester 2.0?

Giants Winners:

Rashad Jennings/Andre Williams: I like this combo A LOT

JPP: Looking like the beast of old, UH-OH

Prince Amukamara - A lot of targets now that guys are shying away from DRC, and he's holding his own nicely. This secondary is going to be FIERCE this year.

Damontre Moore - Dude looks legit, he's coming along verrrrrry nicely.

Steve Weatherford - dudes a machine.

Losers:

Eli - Two passes? Whats going on?! All jokes aside the edict came down that Coughlin wanted the O-Line to get its **** together and toughen up, hence all the run plays. But still i need to see more from Eli

Jayron Hosley - Yuck, needs to be cut, he's a waste.

The offensive line - they need to gel, period.

MFisH · Negus

serious question, do people really think these videos are funny or do they just like things that make eli look dumb?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/08/11/watch-peyton-manning-eli-manning-rap-fantasy-football-fantasy-for-directv/

6ixty · Young Money

this one wasnt great but football on your phone was awesome

Jpoo · Guru

I'm a fan, they're not hysterical or anything but they're definitely entertaining.

MFisH · Negus

nick, so is this how you got into better shape and why you went to Denver last week?

PK talking to Aaron Rodgers:

"In the first three months of the offseason, I did a ton of yoga,” Rodgers says. “Hot yoga. Very hot. Lots of sweating. It helped me. I feel a lot better right now."

6ixty · Young Money

ha! never done yoga but honestly i would try it. supposively you feel really really good after a hot yoga session. its more than just stretching yoga apparantly releases toxins which are sweated out and makes you feel amazing.

only problem is guys look like douches doing it.

MFisH · Negus

reason #1,673 why the statement "eagles run a gimmick offense" is flat out wrong:

So far, most of the attention surrounding Kelly has centered on his spread offense, particularly the way in which he gives his quarterbacks multiple run, keep, or pass options on the same play, all from a no-huddle, up-tempo pace. And those ideas are certainly having an impact. The Dolphins hired Kelly’s quarterbacks coach, Billy Lazor, to implement a version of Kelly’s scheme in Miami; the league in general is trending toward more no-huddle; and several NFL coaches have told me their teams will be using “Chip Kelly plays” this season.

But Kelly’s influence extends far beyond read-options and the no-huddle, and into the subtler and more fundamental aspects of the game. In just one year, Kelly’s question-everything approach has caused many smart NFL coaches and executives to ask themselves why they’ve been doing things the same way for so long. And many are realizing that Kelly has better answers.

http://grantland.com/features/chip-kelly-philadelphia-eagles-nfl-influence/

is it still a gimmick if multiple other teams steal our plays? chip should go out and get a paten for these plays so someone like todd hailey can't take them and try to run them for the stillers.

Jpoo · Guru

idk why you keep posting that stuff, neither Nick or I care nor will change our minds regarding that gimmick offense of yours.

And yes it is still a gimmick when other people steal your plays; example The Wildcat. Nuff' said.

-- Edited by Jpoo on Thursday 14th of August 2014 08:05:30 PM

6ixty · Young Money

Jpoo wrote:
idk why you keep posting that stuff, neither Nick or I care nor will change our minds regarding that gimmick offense of yours.

And yes it is still a gimmick when other people steal your plays; example The Wildcat. Nuff' said.

-- Edited by Jpoo on Thursday 14th of August 2014 08:05:30 PM

+1,673

MFisH · Negus

because it was one of the dumbest statement's ive ever heard nick make and for you to agree is even worse. saying things along the lines of "I don't care what smart football writers and nfl head coaches say/write proving the exact opposite, you can't change my naïve opinion" shows me a lot about football knowledge.

nicks main argument was that because the skins/49ers stopped running the read option in year 2 means eagles offense is also going to struggle in year 2 as if that meant anything just boggles my mind.

and until I hear the opposite I am going to continue to post eagles offense stories.

also, in regards to stealing plays being a gimmick:

wildcat = 1 play

eagles offense = plays

huge difference

6ixty · Young Money

That wasn't my argument at all stop putting words in my mouf. But the fact that other coaches are borrowing plays is exactly what makes it gimmick. Coaches use the wildcat and read option as well but those aren't offenses

6ixty · Young Money

And the wildcat is a formation not a play. Many plays can be run out of it. just like the eagles gimmick formations

Careful fish ur football knowledge is showing and its boggling my mind haha. I know ur an eagles fan but the homerism is getting out of control

MFisH · Negus

you are correct the wildcat is a formation so sorry I misspoke. and when I said coaches stealing plays what I really meant was they are stealing concepts. concepts such as packaged plays, the up tempo, the unbalanced line, the 4 vs 3 attacking concept, etc. Teams such as the broncos, chargers and patriots are all starting to use these as the article stated. if you read the article of someone who can format this argument much better than I can you would understand, but since you already said you don't care I understand the confusion. so let me rephrase:

stealing a formation = gimmicky

eagles offense = concepts

huge difference

disclaimer: I got into a huge office email argument vs a giants fan earlier today which got me extra fired up, but I'm sorry I'm not sorry I am posting about the evolution of offensive football in the "NFL Talk" section of the forum.

MFisH · Negus

also, this is not "homerism" at all. I loved watching Oregon football on offense ever since chip Kelly was the coach there. I bought a jacket and a hat in 2012 to prove it! having chip now on the eagles makes me extra fired up but if chip were say on the browns we would be having these same conversations.

-- Edited by MFisH on Thursday 14th of August 2014 10:16:39 PM

Jpoo · Guru

Steelers first-round ILB Ryan Shazier had 11 solo tackles and an interception while playing less than two quarters in Saturday's preseason game against the Bills.

Wow. That ain't not bad.

6ixty · Young Money

shazier was everywhere. i was wowed by his first 10 or so plays where he seemed like he was in on every tackle, but what i realized who made the interception i nearly lost my mind

6ixty · Young Money

also, this is getting ridiculout

Illegal contact penalties are way up this preseason, the result of the league office telling officials to monitor defensive backs closely and throw flags with impunity. That will continue in the regular season.

“We’re not going to change how we’re calling the games once the regular-season starts,’’ NFL V.P. of officiating Dean Blandino told The MMQB.

they dont need to make anything easier for the offense, and they dont need refs making more judgement calls. if anything defenders should have more freedom when it comes to contact. i was watching the steelers game and mike mitchell got a taunting penalty for TALKING. i had never seen a player get an unsportsmenlike for using words only, no motions, touching or anything.

sucks and its only getting worse. scoring is at an all time high why are they making it harder to play D?

Jpoo · Guru

The giants colts game took over FOUR hours due to all the penalties... this will go down as a mistake like the new baseball blocking the plate nonsense.

6ixty · Young Money

Reason #281947 why chip Kelly's offense is a gimmick... Mark Sanchez can run it LMAO

MFisH · Negus

i cant tell if your joking or trying to get me fired up but im not taking the bait, sanchez has been playing great tho. i love having a competent backup qb just in case foles gets hurt or starts to struggle.

guess what this week is: stillers/eagles (3rd preseason) GAME WEEK! hopefully the refs stay at home for this one

MFisH · Negus

not a good look from your franchise qb

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2166711-insider-buzz-rg3-alienating-redskins-teammates-cousins-closing-the-gap-at-qb

Jpoo · Guru

I generally refuse to read Bleacher Report, but I do so enjoy seeing RG3 taken down a peg or 3.

MFisH · Negus

I heard the same thing from other reporters during the pats skins practices last week that cousins looked much better then rgDiva.

MFisH · Negus

so hoyer over manziel is now considered "breaking news" on espn.com front page. I haven't seen coverage of a future 5-11 team so intense in a long time. with that said, I like the move for manziel he’s simply not ready. People have to remember he should be a junior in college right now so it shouldn’t be this huge shock that he’s not ready for the NFL after one training camp. Not everyone is like Russell Wilson and Andrew luck who both came into the league extremely mature, some need time on the bench so hopefully for manziel this will give him more time to get comfortable with the offense and maybe even take some pressure off. And on top of that, just look at the schedule:

At Pittsburg
New Orleans
Baltimore
Bye

If/when Hoyer goes 0-3 (which is probable no matter who starts), you’d have no problem switching to Manziel. You also don’t want Manziel to start off getting beat up the first couple games of his career.

Coming off the bye, schedule is

@ Tennessee
Pittsburg
@Jacksonville
Oakland
Tampa Bay

Jpoo · Guru

Ditka disagrees, he was screaming to the high heavens on Monday Countdown that you don't learn on the bench and need to be out there.

I'm with you though, in the Jaguars case I think they're being extremely smart with Bortles.

MFisH · Negus

I think it's different for every player. it seems bortyles is a lot more ready than manziel is so maybe playing him right away wouldn't necessarily of been a bad thing. the jags just don't want a gabbert repeat and are doing everything basically the exact opposite of what they did with him. I personally think blaine gabbert just sucks (as he is proving again with the 49ers) and it wouldn't have mattered if he started day 1 or sat a year. some guys are ready off the bat (Wilson, luck) and some never will be. as an eagles fan who plays the jax's week 1, ill take my chances with chad heinie haha.

MFisH · Negus

3 years ago we spent way too much time talking about the 2011 draft and probably didn't mention half of the players who are actually stars today (and it was a hell of a draft class), but its time to re-rank the 2011 draft! who would rather have out of these guys:

Cam Newton, Von Miller, Patrick Peterson, A.J. Green, J.J. Watt, Richard Sherman, Julio Jones, Aldon Smth, Robert Quinn, Colin Kapernick or Danny Watkins

6ixty · Young Money

A Danny Watkins mention! Hahahaha

Manziel looks more like a HS qb than an NFL and it's not about on field performance. His middle finger and post game were very telling. The guys is a spoiled, entitled little douche bag. The selling autographs and almost ruining a season for his entire team, late for meetings, rolled up dollar bills in Vegas, the Instagram pics and in the biggest game of ur career u get caught flipping the other team off?

No nfl qb in history has acted this way. Sure he's young and sure the pics with hot girls and celebs are cool if that's the only trouble you are causing. But he's so far beyond that as far as immaturity goes it's indefensible. His post game press's conference completely turned me off. Someone reported he said the word "I" over 100 times and the word "team" less than 10.

Call me a hater or a steelers fan or whatever you want but I am completly over manziel and the fact that he gets 24/7 coverage for as terrible as he's been makes me sick. I am rooting against the guy.

Jpoo · Guru

Theres a reason i don't watch ESPN outside of Monday Night Football, and 9/10 I watch it on mute because I can't listen to Jon Gruden speak.

Jpoo · Guru

This whole Josh Gordon situation is pretty disgraceful. Either deny the appeal or approve it, there is literally no reason for it to be taking this long. The worst part is by taking this long to rend a verdict if the suspension is upheld, he'll wind up missing most of NEXT YEARS training camp because they took so long. It's ridiculous and I feel like Goodell is intentionally messing with Gordon. Absurd.

6ixty · Young Money

maybe goodell is intentionally messing with you, Josh Brandwin

Jpoo · Guru

Hah, it really doesn't effect me in the end. I'll know way before I need to make a decision for the draft. It actually just generally bothers me how this all has played out. I mean it took 4 or 5 months from when the news broke for an appeal to actually happen? The NFL sucks with these situations.

MFisH · Negus

what a surprise the 2 Pittsburg potheads are playing tonight 1 day after being arrested. how much you wanna bet if the 2 guys who were in trouble were 4th and 5th corners instead of 1st and 2nd rb's they would not only not play tonight they most likely would have been cut already.

just goes to show you the steelers are another hypocrite team who's tough on guys who don't matter (jeff reid) and look the other way when its a bigger name (ex. big ben).

Jpoo · Guru

Can't all be class acts like the Giants (Will Hill cutting)

6ixty · Young Money

i know what ur trying to do but im not buying it. name me one team who has cut a franchise QB who wasnt even charged with a crime?

steelers suspended holmes a game a few years ago while he was in his prime (ended up being SB MVP that year) for being caught with drugs.

steelers are no differnt than any other team in the nfl when it comes to these things

6ixty · Young Money

if ur scared about bell and blount rolling on your defense and leaving them in a cloud of smoke tonight then just say it!

MFisH · Negus

I think cutting them is a little extreme, although higher class franchises have done that in the past (see eagles with desean, pats with aaron hernadez, etc) but I think having them play the very next day is also a little extreme, is there no middle ground? how about sitting them out for a few days, steelers, maybe to show getting arrested the night before the biggest preseason game is not ok?

Jpoo · Guru

Not to mention they were supposedly caught while driving to meet up with the team to travel to Philly

MFisH · Negus

ya exactly, what were they planning on doing, smoking in the hotel after the loss? no wonder blounts been on what 4 teams in 5 years? hopefully he doesn't influence a young player like bell too badly and ruin his career.

6ixty · Young Money

haha ok lemme know when the overreaction theater is over. comparing bell to hernadez? please

i mentioned the smoking on the way to the airport thing as the biggest concern, but ive smoked before both school and work before, so who am i to judge

Jpoo · Guru

Do you make millions of dollars to play a children's game? No? Then smoking before school/work aint no thang.

6ixty · Young Money

no but my living/career is more important to me than theirs is to me. its not like we were pounding the CUT DWAYNE BOWE drum on the forum.

24 players have been arrested since the super bowl. are any of them out of a job? none of the important ones. in fact fish you were just hyping up roddy white the other day. should he be cut too?

Jpoo · Guru

I'm just saying these guys need a massive priority check. 10 years of laying low will net them generally enough dough that they won't have to do **** afterwards, and they can't refrain from smoking weed? None the less on the way to what is basically a team meeting? DUI's happen I don't condone em obvi, but it doesn't start with illegal substances (Note I do believe weed should be legal, but it isn't so whatev). They're pretty stupid too, all that cash and you can't hire a driver for the night? Just stupid ****.

6ixty · Young Money

they are stupid. every one of them who gets caught when you can just smoke in your home is stupid. i dont have a problem calling them dumb dumb dumb for this.

my problem is that they should be given some harsher penalty than anyone else who has been caught doing the same thing. this is a first time offense so they have been clear in the past, they will have to quit now to deal with the more frequent drug tests, but its not like this doesnt happen at least once a month and i cant think of a single team even handing out a suspenion to a player internally. so why should steelers? theres a reason there is a policy and punishement in place and theres also a reason the first offense doesnt carry a suspension. the act is not that big a deal, getting caught is stupid which in the nfl doesnt warrent a suspension unless youre stupid more than once.

you got me fired up, happy fish?

MFisH · Negus

fishing.jpg?w=300&h=238

took the bait!

MFisH · Negus

in all seriousness, I'm not sure why you keep bringing up getting cut into this. unless skip said something this morning, nobody has said anything about cutting them, but having them play 1 day later is a different story. I think they should at least be benched for tonights game as some sort of internal punishment.

6ixty · Young Money

hahaha CANT WAIT for tonight!!

6ixty · Young Money

sitting a starting RB in a preseason game sounds more like a reward to me. if they want to punish them they should let the scrub RBs play the first half with the starters then put B&B in the second half with the backup Oline blocking for them LMAO

6ixty · Young Money

halftime score: 24-21 steelers
final: 31-24 steelers