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new year, new thread.

so the big news of the weekend was obviously the report about calvin Johnson saying he is retiring.  in my opinion, its still too early to say for sure if he is or not but I'm sure he is serious about this and I would be surprised if he played this year.  with that said, is it possible he is saying it this early in the attempts that the lions replace him with a high draft pick?  then maybe later in the offseason, or even next year, he decides he wants to come back but the lions already have golden tate and his pretty big contract, plus a high draft pick, would a 31 year old calvin who is scheduled to make over 20M be worth it to them?  at that point, they might release his rights, which would lead to him with the option of going to another team all while never acting like he wanted to leave detriot and still look like a good guy there. 

thoughts or do you think he pulled a barry sanders?



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i think if hes just trying to get out of DET he will procrastinate on his decision until it forces their hand when hes due his $20 at the start of the new league year and they cut him outright. cant go into next season with that cap charge not knowing whether the guys is even going to pay. that way he can choose his team immediately and go elsewhere for training camp (or after seeing as no one loves training camp).

that said, i think hes done. unless hes playing a reaaaaal long con hes already told stafford and others earlier in the year and told them to keep quiet. hes a pretty stand up dude with a ton of money and has been one of the most injured players over the last few years. didnt u have him on ur fantasy team? how often did he miss practice or was questionable? dudes banged up.

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id run away quick if i was him, he has his health for the moment, that could change very quickly

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what I tell you nick, this guy is never going to make it:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14697600/cleveland-browns-moving-johnny-manziel-latest-incident-source-says

playing for a franchise like Cleveland probably didn't help, but chances are manziel has a lot worse issues than anyone realized.  its one think to like to party/drink and do famous people things as a young millionaire in his early 20's, but he is taking it to a different level with skipping out mandatory things to secretly go to vegas, going to rehab purely so people would get off his back and "rehab his imagine" and multiple innocents with his gf where the police have been called twice including over the weekend where they had a police helicopter looking for him because they feared he might have killed himself.  is there a chance another team signs him for next year?  my power rankings:

1. Goes unsigned

2. Dead

3. Cowboys (obvious)

4. 49ers (chip recruited him in college and doesn't tend to care what other people think)

5. falcons (kyle Shannon is their OC now and was manziels rookie year OC, maybe he liked him or something)

anyone want to add any other possibilities??



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jesus man, if this is true how out of control is manziel?  I'm normally not the type to fall for the hot take discussion but this is bad:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/09/report-browns-lied-about-manziel-concussion-to-cover-up-his-drinking/



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terrible. dude should be in awaiting trial if everything in his GF afidavit is true. and the only thing hes gonna lose is his NFL celebrity which prolly doesnt matter to him in texas because he still has the texas a&m celebrity. his parents are filthy rich so he doesnt need to worry about the $$. spoiled brat, the type of person to claim affluenza.

the browns should really be worried. they should be looking at losing draft picks and fines. concussions are a huge topic right now and to use one to hide a players off field problems is terrible.

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On a lighter note (for all the Curb Your Enthusiasm Fans out there)

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since its almost march its time for our annual "are the steelers over the cap" story.  however, this year looks to be a little different, so here you go, enjoy!

http://espn.go.com/blog/pittsburgh-steelers/post/_/id/17777/steelers-loaded-with-some-of-nfls-best-value-contracts



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well thats a relief! every year the salary cap kills them and these media outlets have so many great ideas im not sure why the steeles refuse to listen to them!

or maybe they know what theyre doing and are in better shape now than ever without realzing that "kicking the can down the road is going to catch up to them." ravens fans were the best at this yet are very quick to say "joe flaccos contract wont hurt them they can just restructure." smh cant have it both ways.

now that thats off my chest (it happens every year and is the most overblown thing around the league in feb) these guys have some very affordable contracts but they will be coming up soon. after a few bad drafts between 08-10 they have been very successful lately -- bell, shazier, tuitt, beachum, bryant, wheaton, decastro, etc. who they certainly want to resign. this is why when they say "were not gonna be big players in FA, were gonna take care of business in house" they mean it. but its also why they are always up against the cap, yet havent lost a significant starter other than eman in years.

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some what agree, because I do think what the steelers did in the past few years being so close to the cap every year has hurt them. however, having a top 5 QB allows you to over shadow some of those issues, and obviously drafting well is the real key.  but i do agree with u with that all the cap stories before FA starts from writers is usually an over blown story because good GMs know how to restructure deals or cut away certain players so it always works out.  plus the cap is going up again which will help teams.  but the key as always is drafting well, the teams who do that consistently are the ones who are normally good and as the eagles have shown twice in the past 5 years winning FA is not the way to go.

with that said, reports are that eagles love chase daniels (chiefs backup qb who was with Pederson) who is a FA.  not sure how I feel about that one, nick didn't he beat the steelers one year to knock them out of the playoffs?  give me a breakdown of what u saw outta him...

 



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as a member of the cheifs? i dont remember that game. i looked back at his stats to 2011 and the only games he appeared in vs steelers was preseason.

yes a top 5 qb can cover up a lot of problems on you team, which may or may not be cap related, but paying a top 5 qb is a big reason a team has cap concerns in the first place.



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profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/23/the-free-agent-hot-100-5/

you only get to pick 5, one from each tier of 10 picks (1-10, 11-20, etc.) ..... go!

3. josh norman
13. trumane johnson
21. danny travathan
33. kelvin beachum
43. nick fairley
58. chris ivory

Steelers D is now stacked!!!

on a side note, beachum is very underrated and i hope he doesnt get away. villunueva, the army ranger, is huge and played well but beachum is top notch and coming off an acl injury so hopefully he comes cheap.

broncos and bengals are ravished by FAs this year. gonna be hard to keep either team together, especially if donkeys want to sign osweiler.

bradford at 10? puuuulease.

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2)Mo Wilkerson
13)Trumaine Johnson
21)Danny Travaethan
36)Mo Sanu
62)Tashaun Gipson

Secondary and pass rush fixed! Run d shored up! Actual #2 receiver acquired

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is this for the eagles or in general?  I guess if I'm going eagle needs it would look like this:

10. Bradford (I like Jeffery but need a qb first!)

14. Sean Smith

29. Alex Boone

30. Hali

41. Richie Incognito (need some bullies and oline help!)



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also, my brother said Mo Sanu's top 3 teams are giants, falcons and redskins but that it is too early obviously and he will prolly end up going to whoever pays him the most haha.

they also said he probably would not go to the browns because he doesn't really like hue Jackson which I though was interesting and he doesn't want to play for the browns (not surprising) but once again if they offered him the most money he would probably go there haha



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is that his preference or have those three teams already reached out that theyre interested?... wouldnt be surprising.

i thought it was interesting he was ranked higher than marvin jones when the bengals said jones was the priority. one place the steelers dont need help is WR but I hope our boy sanu lands on his feet. ATL next to julio would be a great place to play, as would NYG next to ODB.

speaking of ODB, have you guys seen his cousin??!? dude is HUGE. max bench press at the combine is 32 and apparently his cuz did 42 in a instagram video. SIGN HIM UP


also, I wonder what round this guys going in:

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that's shawn oakman, he made a big splash on the internet last year during one of the bowl games when he looked like a monster (as you can tell by the picture) and a lot of memes were made about him.  I've actually heard through out this past season he's pretty overrated, he looks like he should be a top 5 pick but doesn't play like it, not a great motor.  he will probably be a mid round pick but with size you never know.

as for mo, the 3 teams I mentioned were his preference, but again it's going to come down to money and they haven't been able to talk to teams yet due to tampering.  my brother said some teams have reached out to his agent (I think he said Vikings and titans) but they haven't really discussed money yet and the real talks happen at the combine so stay tuned.



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just wondering why he prefers those teams. seem sort of random and each already have at least 1 big name WR.

i heard the same about oakman. my favorite were the memes that said "if you defeat all the other players you get to fight the final boss" or something like that haha

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profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/26/report-eagles-open-to-trading-unhappy-demarco-murray/

OMG a trade to the 49ers would be so epic haha

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yeaaa that won't happen.  eagles want him gone, but his contract is so bad no team is going to take it, and it would actually cost the eagles more to cut him with the amount of guaranteed money he is still owed instead of just hanging on for another year.

we'll see what happens, hopefully with a rebuilt O-line and a new style of offense murray will go back to the player he was 2 years ago instead of last year.  not saying he is going to get 1800 yards, but maybe 1200 and more than 2 tds this year would be nice.

speaking of chip, how about kaep requesting a trade?  you would think out of every coach in the NFL to play for to revive his career that chip would be the guy to do it and the style of offense he has.  kaep must HATE the GM for the contract he signed a few years ago or not trust the ownership.

 



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it was a joke. sending him back to chip kelly who he obviously didnt like and who didnt like his playing style would be funny.

as for kaep... ehh it seems like the number of players who dislike kelly waaaay outweighs the number of players looking to play in his offense. you still think hes a good coach?

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I do and if he gets the right players, esp at qb, I think the 49ers can be really good.  to me, the only argument about his coaching style that holds any weight to it is that his D gets worn down too easily because of how long they are on the field so we'll see if that happens again or if the eagles defensive coaches just sucked.

about kaep, I don't think chip coming has anything to do with the trade request.  I think it is everything about not trusting the ownership/gm and this goes back to during the season when he got benched and decided to get surgery on his own, with his own doctors, plus rehabbing away from the team.  that tells me he doesn't trust the organization, and after their GM announced he wasn't cutting him that's when the trade request came.  I just thought it was weird that with chip coming in he still wanted out, if hes anywhere near a franchise qb like he thinks he is, chip is the guy to get him there.

 



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so after the big news yesterday with Bradford's new 2 year deal, I don't get the hate for it.  its a short term deal which is a win-win for both sides.  if the eagles win with him then he will get a new deal after this contract, or if he sucks/gets hurt they can move on from him relatively quickly.  the contract is also fair, it's at worst 18M/year which is right around the middle of what QBs get (and its less when you consider how much the cap has risen over the past 2 years) and his cap hit for this year is only 12.5M which opens up more space for the eagles to potentially make moves in FA.  Breaking news, the best QB on the open market was going to get something similar or more than this.

And oh btw, what was option B again?  sorry josh, I didn't want to head into the season with a career backup as my starting QB in Chase Daniels and you never know what will happen in the draft but at pick #13 I doubt any franchise QB was dropping to that spot, and the eagles don't have enough picks to move up into the top 5 even if they wanted to.

As crazy as this sounds, I still like Bradford.  He had a rough first half of the year but I think its fair to understand coming onto a new team/new system was not going to be a quick transition along with the fact chip Kelly had 5 or 6 new starters on offense that needed time to gel so the whole damn team was struggling it wasn't just him.  On top of all that, he was still coming off back to back ACL injuries and didn't play for almost 2 years prior to that!  Like I've said before, the last 7 games of the season I was impressed by him, so with a good amount of talent coming back, hopefully a rebuilt O-line as well as a more traditional offense for him I want to see him for one more year and try to compete in a pretty weak division and we'll see what happens.

 



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pretty soon bradford is going to be the longest tenured eagle! seriously, pederson already got rid of chips 3 biggests FAs from last year. eagles must have a ton of cap money now. on one hand they need to sign some FAs because lets be honest now that those guys are gone there arent a lot of superstars left on the team. but on the other hand that hasnt worked out for anyone (except denver last year) in a long time.

i cant believe FA starts on wednesday. it seems soooo early. one of the best times of the year for sure, but i feel like FA was just opening up in April the last couple years.

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FA always starts 1st week of march, maybe it feels earlier because the super bowl week was a 1-2 weeks later than normal.  or maybe all the vacas you went on recently is making you lose a sense of time! about the eagles...

it's not really Pederson who is making these moves, it their old/new GM Howie Roseman who is (although I'm sure Pederson is having some input on these moves as well). Roseman has been with the eagles for awhile now, and he is very good at managing the cap (remember the dream team plus having to re-sign all their current star players? he made that work cap wise) which is what almost all these moves are all about, getting rid of bad contracts and opening up space.  he's already re-signed or extended 6 players and now has gotten rid of 3, but now he has more holes to fill so we will see what he does for that.  I'm not expecting much of a return on draft picks from the titans/dolphins but hopefully it includes a 2nd rounder so we'll see, hard to judge a trade when we're not sure what the eagles got back in return.  I wanted to see how murray looked in a pro style offense, esp once the line is rebuilt, but I guess at 8-10M a year he wasn't worth it.  Kiko sucked and I don't care that he's gone, wouldn't surprise me if he never bounces back from his pre-injury form, and Maxwell, while obviously over paid, was still a decent 2nd corner so let's see how the eagles fill that hole.  it will be an interesting offseason for sure. 



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first Charles woodson, then peyton manning, and now (officially) calvin Johnson all retired this offseason.  that is one STACKED HOF class in 5 years, and throw in heath miller and there's 4 of the 7 spots already taken by 1st ballot guys!



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Rumor is Eagles and Dolphins swapped 1st round picks as part of the Kiko/Maxwell deal

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that would be nice, cant wait to find out. I'm not expecting much tho...



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how's everyone liking their moves so far?  for the eagles, I like them.  I wanted to see murray in a new system for one more year but he clearly was not happy and the eagles don't want to pay 8M for a RB esp an unhappy one so oh well.  I love the Maxwell/kiko for the 1st round swap, getting out of that awful Maxwell contract and now have a top 8 pick to work with really opens up some better options for players in the draft.  might give them a chance at the corner from Florida (ramsey) the LB from UCLA (jack) or the tackle from ND and would really fill a hole with a potential impact player.

don't know much about the safety McLeod they just got but everything I'm reading says he is a solid player and was ranked in the top 10 for PFF's safety rankings last year.  combine him with Jenkins and they should have one of the best pairs of safeties in the league next season. I liked walter Thurmond but he is more of a corner who did well in coverage last year as a safety, I guess this years coaching staff wants more of a hitter back there which is what McLeod is.

still have holes at guard, corner and linebacker so obviously a lot of work left, but I like movies Howie has made so far and its a complete 180 from last years crazy offseason which clearly shown has not worked and I will never get sucked into that excitement again.



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LOVE

Snacks Harrison?
JPP on a prove it?
Janoris Jenkins tag teaming with DRC?

Love it

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brock got 4/72 for Texans (18M a year) with 37M in guarantees.

he's played 7 career games and honestly his numbers weren't all that great.  you guys ripped the sam Bradford contract last week, and I'm not saying he's deserving of a monster deal or anything, but do you see now it was a pretty fair deal? Bradford got 18M a year with about 26M in guarantees and only on a 2 year deal to protect the eagles if he doesn't pan out.



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damn josh giants got Olivier Vernon for 5 year 85M with 52M in guarantees!  since you love bashing the eagles moves, defend their spending today...



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Realistic remaining free agent wish list

1)Russel Okung - Let him play LT for about 2-3 years and let big bad Ereck Flowers play RT and dominate till he's seasoned enough to get back to the left side.
2)Reggie Nelson - Good veteran player, could be a leader on a defense lacking them, paired up with Landon Collins, DRC, and JJ could be a dominant secondary
3)Jerrell Freeman - An above average ILB with decent cover skills, the days of RBs/TE's burning the Giants in the middle would be gone (or at least diminished)
4)Anquan Boldin - Can't tell me this ageless wonder wouldn't thrive playing across from Odell. Solid hands, perfect #2 for Eli right now
5)Dwight Freeny - Perfect 3rd DE situational passrusher... The return of the nascar package? YES YES YES


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Steelers offered Okung a contract but im kinda hoping he turns it down. We had kelvin beachum who would have been the #1 rated LT (imo) if he didnt tear his ACL. Hes only 25 and has been in the system since he was a 7th rounder in 2012. if were offering Okung a contract were obviously are happy moving on from beachum but i dont understand why you would give okung a big deal and not beachum.

only thing i can think of is the jags or titans are offering him crazy money and the difference between him and okungs pricetags is higher than i expected.

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here is an updated top 10 players still available list:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/bestavailable160314/ranking-top-unsigned-nfl-free-agents

I find it pretty interesting okung is still available, typically good tackles under 30 go super quick (and expensive) so to see he is still out there means he is not as good as I thought or something else is going on there.  apparently he is representing himself so maybe the fact he didn't have an agent slowed things down but still.

so josh, the giants are now about to start how many new players on defensive that they got from FA, 6-7?  that's a lot of turnover, and maybe they will have more success than the eagles when they did this, but I'm glad the eagles are going nuts like they have been cuz it never works for us.



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For every FA failure theres a Broncos success story (TJ Ward, Aqib Talib, Demarcus Ware, etc etc.)

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true but I think the failures FAR out weigh the success stories.  I think the broncos moves working had more to do with peyton manning being their QB, but I guess with eli as the qb it should help things.  but if the giants have another bad year your GM is done right?



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Absolutely, honestly surprised he survived this year.

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Bryant done for the year, his agent is talking about him going to rehab.  is this suspension for drugs or steroids?



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drugs - apparently if you skip the test entirely you go straight to the year long ban. he didnt even show.

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Pats trade Chandler Jones to the Cardinals for Jonathan Cooper and a 2nd Round pick, wow.

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not sure who got the better end thou. jones is a wack job on the last year of his contract. cooper was considered the best OG since decastro but has been hurt, and 2nd round picks are hard to come by, esp for a team without a first.

in a vacuum its jones easily, but nothings ever straight forward

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it seems like a win/win for both teams but the more I think about it the more I don't understand why the pats did it.  jones is their best pass rusher, and maybe even their best defensive player, and normally I would get making this move a year early rather than a year too late, but when tom brady is your qb and his window is what another 2-3 years, why do a move that is mostly a long term benefit by getting rid of such a good player?  maybe if they hit on this 2nd round pick and in 3-4 years they have more cap space it will make sense, but then brady isn't your qb and you made your team worse while the super bowl window is wide open. and that what the pats have always been doing, and for the most part it works, but who knows how many other super bowl wins they have cost themselves by getting rid of impact players a year or 2 too early, and then come the AFC championship game or the super bowl they miss that impact player.



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FINALLY!!

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LOL!

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My post first wave of FA mock...

 

TEAMPICKPositionSchoolWhy?
1)TitansLaremy TunsilOTOle MissWhen you're picking #1 you take the most sure thing in the draft, Tunsil is about as sure as it gets
2)BrownsCarson WentzQBNorth Dakota St.Theres just too much out there connecting these two together, Hue Jackson is going to want to get his own signal caller in there ASAP. 
3)ChargersJalen RamseyDBFSUArguably the best player in the draft, their defense was awful last year, any improvement at any position is a god send. 
4)CowboysJoey BosaEDGEOhio St.Randy Gregory suspended 4 games, Hardy gone. They need pass rushers in the worst way.
5)JaguarsMyles JackOLBUCLAExplosive, truly wish he would fall to the Giants, but I don't see how he doesn't go top 5.
6)RavensDeForest BucknerDE/DTOregonThey would have killed for Ramsey to fall, but honestly I could see him going #1 overall… They try to get some youth on the DL in this big bad man
7)49ersVernon Hargreaves IIICBFloridaI just don't buy that they're going to draft a QB this early with both Kaep and Gabbert still there… They Continue to add to a depleted D instead
8)EaglesRonnie StanleyOTNotre DameJason Peters is near the end, it would be smart for the Eagles to build from the lines out. Would make for a solid bookend across from Lane
9)BuccaneersShaq LawsonDE ClemsonFun fact: The Bucs have not had a defensive player with double digit sacks since Simeon Rice in 2005… Nuff' said.
10)GiantsJack ConklinOTMichigan St.I'll be honest, if this scenario plays out like this I want them to trade back, but I don't mock trades… Theres a gaping hole on the right side of the line, this is a necessity 
11)BearsA'Shawn RobinsonDTAlabamaThe Bears continue rebuilding their D getting back to classic Chicago football… Adding A'shawn to  Eddie Goldman and Akiem Hicks will make for a formidable 3-4 Front
12)SaintsJarran ReedDTAlabamaThat’s right back to back DT picks from the same school! NO has to do something about that atrocious run D, Jarran should go  a long way.
13)DolphinsMackensie AlexanderCBClemsonJust look at their current secondary, they need a DB here no matter what.
14)RaidersSheldon RankinsDTLouisvilleDamn, this is going to be a GOOD defense. Watch out for Oakland…
15)RamsJared GoffQBCalI know it's almost unbelieveable that they didn’t go Defense! If he falls this far they have to take him 
16)DetroitLaquon TreadwellWROle MissThis seems to be about the right spot for Treadwell to go, obviious need to get Stafford more weapons (No Marvin Jones and Golden Tate are not enough)
17)FalconsLeonard FloydLBGeorgiaThey need help all over this defense, Floyd could turn into an absolute monster
18)ColtsTaylor DeckerOTOhio St.They need Andrew Luck to not die, period.
19)BillsRobert NkemdicheDT/DEMississippiYou know Sexy Rexy is not going to be able to pass on him at this point… too much potential. Were he not a moron easily would have beeen top 5
20)JetsPaxton LynchQBMemphisWith the Fitzmagic drama still unresolved and Geno and Bryce Petty their only QB's this is obvious
21)RedskinsKendall FullerCBVTRelated to Kyle Fuller.. This secondary is absolute dog ****, another necessity.
22)TexansCorey ColemanWRBaylorI know they took Jalen Strong last year, but he was very up and down. Some  are saying Coleman is the best WR in this draft, they make their offense even better.
23)VikingsWill FullerWRNotre DameNeed to get Bridgewater some weapons!!!!!!
24)BengalsJosh DoctsonWRTCUCan you tell me who's going to play across from AJ this year? I sure as **** can't
25)SteelersEli AppleCBOhio St.Don't think I need to explain this one too much
26)SeahawksRyan KellyAlabamaLosing Max Unger in the foolish Jimmy Graham trade turned a below average OL into a terrible one, this is step one of building it back
27)PackersDarron LeeLBOhio St.This will allow them to leave Clay outside to wreak havoc…
28)ChiefsWilliam JacksonCBHoustonSean Smith bolted to Oakland, they need a replacement
29)CardinalsShilique CalhounDEMichigan St.They got their pass rusher in the form of Chandler Jones from the Pats, now they get him a bookend
30)PanthersEzekiel ElliotRBOhio St.J Stew had a nice renaissance year, but lets be real, that can't last for too much longer. They take what some are calling one of the best overall draft talents
31)BroncosConnor CookQBMichigan St.Duh.


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dont know who i fear falling to the Ravens most -- ramsey, bosa or buckner.

seems like a bit of a strange draft. i honestly done know who im pulling for yet. maybe billings out of baylor or alexander from clemson. usually the top heavy drafts end up the weakest, so maybe a deep draft with no "sure fire" picks will be good for teams who need to fill several holes in their secondary quickly.

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I like Mackensie Alexander a lot, i don't see him getting out of the top 15. IMO Apple might even be long gone... it is a really weird draft... no stud QB, no stud WR, no stud DE just very bleh across the board

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I could def see the eagles going with stanely.  chip didn't draft an olinemen the past 2 years so I assume they are going to go heavy this year to get more depth there. If they do draft him it would make sense that he is the tackle as a long term replacement for peters but play him at guard for the next year or 2 and really give us a good line like we had 2-3 years ago.

i would be happy if they went stanely, but guys I would also want would be:

- jack

- alexander (8 might be too high tho)

- treadwell



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