Nick and I just had a pretty heated argument regarding the issues surrounding his firing. I argued that his firing had mostly to do with "SpyGate II". Most coaches in his position (poor record, tons of injuries) would be granted another season to prove themselves.
Also, I didn't quite understand why Pat Bowlen told the media that McDaniels would deffinetly be back for 2011. Maybe he didn't want his players to become detached? Who knows, I'd like to here from that guy in the next couple days.
Finally, Nick suggested that his firing was partly because of his draft last year. And I quote "He wasted his entire draft on a receiver who caught 1 TD and a qb who has 6th round talent". I couldn't disagree more with that comment. Demaryius Thomas has been riddled with injuries, but proved he is a big time player. Tim Tebow, mark my word, will be a starter in the very near future, and will suprise everyone. We all know you can't grade a draft class after 11 weeks of football.
With that said, I think Josh McDaniels is going to make someones offense VERY good. I'm hoping he comes to the Dolphins and replaces that faggot Dan Henning!
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With that said, Nick and I both agreed that McDaniels right now is a better OC or QB coach, not the HC. He will eventually become a HC again, and I predict that he will have a better showing the second time around.
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The argument stemed more from the fact that you said and I quote, "It was the cheating thing. Only reason."
Of course spygate 2 had a lot to do with it but it wasn't the sole reason he was fired or he would have been fired weeks ago. It had a lot to do with personell decisions. I believe that he spent 3 high draft picks to draft a 6th round talent in the 1st round. Tebows a great guy and all but hes not an every down starter at QB. If he knew how good Orton would be this year what would be the point of drafting him at all? Thomas has had injuries but you passed on Dez Bryant, who has looked almost unstoppable at times, for an unproven guy who really didnt prove anything this year. Dont forget him running Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall out of town.
An finally, my actual point, was that McDaniels started his career 6-0 and since then has gone 5-17. Thats enough to get a coach fired right there. BUT couple that with the fact that everyone in the organization finds him to be an ******* and it makes your seat even hotter.
I never said that spygate 2 didnt play a role in him getting fired, and it may even be the reason they provide so they have just cause to fire him, McDaniels is an awesome QB coach and O Coordinator, hes just not ready to be a head coach at 34.
next question. Is Bill Belichick having his best year as a head coach ever?
No, his best year ever was the year he won his first Super Bowl with Brady. It's not even close.
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2 solid arugments. for starters, 1. spygate II definitly played a role. if they were 9-3 and this happened would he be getting fired? hell no. but as nick said, being 5-17 in the past year and a half does not give u the benifit of the doubt. do i think the poor drafting last year had a role in the firing? No. The question isnt did he make the right moves in trading up to get tebow when they already had a good qb in orton, because obviously its hard to argue that was a good move. so far tebow has shown nothing, and u wasting at least 2-3 picks (on a team tht needs good players) for a suspect qb when u already have a good player there. but with that said, u gotta let the guy who drafted him work with him before getting rid of him.
It it easy to say 11 weeks in that he probably shouldnt have made some of the picks, but u dont judge a draft for at least 3 years. Now, some of his personel moves overall coulda have been a factor, such as trading peyton hillis for a 3rd string qb in quinn and missing on all his top picks last year, but firing a guy cuz thomas and tebow havent done much in 11 games makes no sense.
do i think he was fired too soon? yes, hes only 34, and he barley got a chance to work with the guys hes drafted. now, if ur gonna make the draft moves he did, u kinda have to allow him to prove it, hes already turned orton from a bum to a borderline pro bowler (stat wise at least), so who knows wat could he have done with tebow, look at wat a little coaching did to vick.
i think the biggest problem is all the leaks to the media about private coaches meetings. that obviously shows his peers/coaches in his own locker room dont respect him which is the biggest problem. u dont see these problems in philly, NE, pitt, ect. throw tht in with the fact they are 5-17, spygate II, and the fact the cowboys and vikings are 5-1 since firing there coaches all leads to his early dismissal.
but just like mangini, hes young and most likely will get another chance. maybe not as quickly as mangini did, but if he goes back to an O-coordinator somewhere, tears it up, within 3-4 years he'll get another shot, hopefully this time he will have a vetern GM who will have his back.
next question. Is Bill Belichick having his best year as a head coach ever?
No, his best year ever was the year he won his first Super Bowl with Brady. It's not even close.
haha there you go making another bold statement without facts to back it up. Like your "spygate 2. only reason." theory, its a matter of opinion and if yours is that his first year with brady was then expand on it dont just state it like a fact when it isnt.
Anyways, heres my OPINION as to why this is Belichicks best year as a coach, as always with facts to back it up...
1. Randy Moss - Lets just start with the elephant in the room. This isnt the biggest reason I beleive that Belichick is having the best year of his career but its the most obvious. I dont need to expand on this a whole lot, but Belichick completely fleeced the Vikings by getting a third round pick for Moss. Since Randy Moss left the Pats are 6-1. Randy Moss' team? 1-6. Since he left Moss has a total of NINE catches, for less than 100 yards total. Danny Woodhead put up more yards in the game against the supposed best defense in the NFL last night.
2. Richard Seymour - Seymour is playing OK in Oakland this year, but at age 30 and his contract expiring was he really worth a first round pick?
3. Carolina Panthers - The Pats traded their third round pick in last years draft to the Carolina Panthers for a 2011 second round pick. With the Panthers looking like a lock for the winner of the Andrew Luck sweepstakes, the Pats will have 3 picks in the top 33, including the coveted first overall pick in day 2 of the draft. If there was ever a pick Belichick would love to have with his history of trading, that is it.
4. Defense - Let me rattle off a couple names from Belichicks 2001 defense, the year you believe was his best: Ty Law, Teddy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, Willie McGinest, Richard Seymour, Lawyer Malloy, Roman Phifer with Troy Brown playing CB in a pinch.... Now lets look at their replacements: Kyle Arrington, Mike Wright, Gerald Warren, Brandon Meriweather, Patrick Chung. I will admit that Meriweather and Chung are good young safeties, but do you know when they became good? Thats right, THIS YEAR. That brings me to my next point.
5. Devin Mccourty - Has anyone heard from Kyle Wilson? Kareem Jackson? No? Well those were 2 of the guys selected with Devin McCourty in the 2010 NFL draft. In fact, the Pats traded down 3 spots and stll landed McCourty. Wilson and Jackson have a combined for a total of 0 picks. Haden who was selected 24 spots ahead of McCourty has 5, while McCourty is tied for second in the NFL with 6. If it wasnt for Suh, McCourty would be the leading candidate for RDPOY. If you disagree with that, go do some research.
6. The games - The Pats are tied with the Atlanta Falcons for the best record in the NFL. They have beaten the Steelers and Jets heavily, teams tied for the second best record in the NFL. They smashed Peyton and the Colts. They lost to the Jets on the road and put up a fluke game against the Browns. They got payback on the jets to tune of 42-3 and I dont think the Browns want to see them again. The Pats arent just winning games, they are dominating. All of this with no-name white boys keeping the Pats WELL under the salary cap.
7. You said it youself. In the week 12 NFL Pick em you said "I have finally realized Bill Belichick is the best coach in the NFL." So why didnt you realize that in 2001?
Just a friendly debate so dont get worked up over it, but if you disagree at least post why instead of just dismissing it like its fact. You sound like Sean Salisbury when you do that!
A Broncos player tells CBS 4 Denver's Vic Lombardi that now-former coach Josh McDaniels got into a confrontation with Champ Bailey and D.J. Williams on the practice field Monday. It was McDaniels' final straw. The player called the argument "heated and contentious," and said it had to do with "wind sprints" the day after a game. Williams and McDaniels had a checkered history, as the former coach stripped the veteran linebacker of his captaincy following Williams' arrest in mid-November. Several Broncos players were outwardly supportive of the move to fire McDaniels on Monday. "McD" probably should've waited for a playoff berth or two before pretending to be Bill Belichick.
Nick. Good solid analysis. I disagree with some though.
1. Richard Seymour has transformed that Oakland Raiders defense into a force every week. I think the Raiders would agree it was worth the pick.
2. Couldn't agree more with McCourty. The guy is ready.
But the reason I'm about to explain should trump all arguments. Remember that before the 2001 season Brew Bledsoe signed a 10 year/$100 Mil contract. After the SECOND game of the season, he was almost murdered playing the Jets. So, you have just lost your $100 franchise QB. That would be like losing Big Ben for the year, yet in comes Tom Brady, a 7th round pick. And we all know the rest...
That's one hell of a coaching job.
Dan 1 - Nick 0
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Nick, any time a coach wins a Super Bowl its going to be on the top coaching performances. But yes, another great coaching adjustment.
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nick, u make a lot of great points, although some happened last year (seymour) and most of ur arguments have to do with him as a GM not so much as a coach. i agree this has been a great year, his team is clearly #1 right now and super bowl favorites, not only having a good record, but also as u said smashing good teams. u also forgot to mention they beat baltimore, another "top 5" team. it is amazing considering how young the team is and some of the key players on offense they have were undrafted as woodhead and benjarvis. but one point i do disagree with is the 2001 "no name" guys on defense vs this year. in 2001 most of the guys u named werent big stars either. and also just cuz guys dont have big names doesnt mean they aren't good, look at asente samuel, he was a nobody when he took over for ty law and then became a top 5 corner. this didnt come out of nowhere. if ur gonna compare 2001 vs 2010 u also have to consider tom brady was a backup to start the year, not a 3 time super bowl winner and MVP. So wats more impressive, going 10-2 with a 3time super bowl MVP as ur qb, or winning the super bowl with a no name backup qb who was a 5th rounder the year before?
but with that said, nick, its hard to say this is his best year when we havent even gotten to the playoffs yet. If they get smoked in round 2 do u still think this is going to be better than 2001 or even 2007? i honestly think his best year was 2007 when they went umm almost undefeated and were 1 fluke helmet catch of doing something NO team has ever done in the history of the league. but he didnt win the super bowl but tht team is still considered one of the greatest of all time. my point is that its too early to tell, but even so i would still put 2007 #1.
Looks like a good "30 for 30" this Saturday. Gotta love the old time college football stories. Have no idea who it is, but its about some SMU player who apparently fried in college, but I guess got the death penalty? We'll see!
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nick, u make a lot of great points, although some happened last year (seymour) and most of ur arguments have to do with him as a GM not so much as a coach. i agree this has been a great year, his team is clearly #1 right now and super bowl favorites, not only having a good record, but also as u said smashing good teams. u also forgot to mention they beat baltimore, another "top 5" team. it is amazing considering how young the team is and some of the key players on offense they have were undrafted as woodhead and benjarvis. but one point i do disagree with is the 2001 "no name" guys on defense vs this year. in 2001 most of the guys u named werent big stars either. and also just cuz guys dont have big names doesnt mean they aren't good, look at asente samuel, he was a nobody when he took over for ty law and then became a top 5 corner. this didnt come out of nowhere. if ur gonna compare 2001 vs 2010 u also have to consider tom brady was a backup to start the year, not a 3 time super bowl winner and MVP. So wats more impressive, going 10-2 with a 3time super bowl MVP as ur qb, or winning the super bowl with a no name backup qb who was a 5th rounder the year before?
but with that said, nick, its hard to say this is his best year when we havent even gotten to the playoffs yet. If they get smoked in round 2 do u still think this is going to be better than 2001 or even 2007? i honestly think his best year was 2007 when they went umm almost undefeated and were 1 fluke helmet catch of doing something NO team has ever done in the history of the league. but he didnt win the super bowl but tht team is still considered one of the greatest of all time. my point is that its too early to tell, but even so i would still put 2007 #1.
Fish, I could of coached that 2007 team to a Super Bowl that year with all the weapons they had on offense. We are arguing best coaching performance, not best year as a team. They didn't even win the Super Bowl.
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Lotta great action on the board today! Oh weird its already 1 oclock i would have never known. time flys when theres this much good material.
As for belichick, again, its an opinion. Obviously if the Pats dont win the super bowl this year its not his best year as coach. But if you compare this season to 2001 after 12 games, it would be hard to give the edge to the 2001 campaign.
and as for 2007 not only was that one of the greatest teams every assembled but the Pats choked in the SB! When it comes to belichick, if it didnt result in a ring its not even in the conversation for his best season!
Can you douche bags just agree that 2001 was his best coaching job?
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dan- if the Pats dont win the SB this year I will agree with that. Until then i stand firm that hes done an amazing job this year and its his best ever with everything thats gone on.
its easy to say tht 2007 team had the best talent any1 coulda coached them blah blah blah, but if ur gonna say this year is great cuz of the personal moves he did like he got rid of moss, drafted the rutgers kid, found guys like woodhead, how can u also not say it was a great job by him in 2007 to get moss for a 4th, or welker from the dolphins for a mid level pick? its the same concept, and actually even more impressive. lets remember welker was good, but he was no pro bowler, and some ppl thought moss was done when he was with oakland.
and ya he didnt win the super bowl, but tht helmet catch was 1 in a million. idk, i no im in the minorty and ppl think winning the super bowl is the only thing that matters, but i think going 19-0 is pretty damn impressive.
