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im always in the loop with sports bitches, just cuz im at laurens a lot n not laying on the couch at home doesnt mean im still not paying attention to things and does not effect my sports knowldeg 1 bit.  as for the mock draft, ill do a top 10 but after that it is pointless.  theres gonna b at least 5-10 trades in the 1st first round which screws up the entire draft process.  and how u gonna judge/rate a process like that?  this isnt the ncaa tourney bracket where things are at least possible, picking a correct mock draft is literally impossible.  and lets be honest, this is just going to be a contest of who reads the most mock drafts to see who all the experts picks n see where they have guys going cuz there really the only ppl with a clue outside of the teams.  sorry i dont read too many mock drafts for those exact reasons.

or here is an idea.  we all have 100 points, and we each have to make 5 bold predictions.  each pick u have to assign a point value to, adding up to 100.  obviously every right pick u make u get those points assigned and the one with the most points wins.  this also has to be done a few days before the draft and the other ppl doing this have to agree or not on the other person predictions that it is a worth while pick.  there is NOT going to be any cam newton will go in top 10 for 95 points type thing.  i think something like this could be fun, no?

MFisH wrote:

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Chase Cox wrote:

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The problem with your game Fish, is what makes a prediction bold? We try doing this game and everyone predictions are "bolder" than others. Why not just make your bold predictions in your mock draft. You will see mine will.

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 i understand that will be the biggest problem, but i figured this was more of a fun game rather than a life or death event.  do i care that u might get lucky n predict who will go #20 to a team that probably will not even draft the kid? no.  will i even remember who u put the next day? no.  do i remember u calling the seahawks as ur nfc west champs before the season started? yes.  i think this idea has more potential then the mock draft idea

 

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hahaha ya well i never claimed to be a college basketball expert, but i think my game is a lot better and will keep us all interested for longer rather than when 1 trade happens that ****s up the entire draft/game and every1 stops paying attention to it.

bold prediction #1: eagles will trade up for cb prince amukamara

MFisH wrote:

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do either of u like my idea at all or do u just want to argue about each others ideas being dumb?

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I do not think it's dumb, your the one saying my idea (which I have done with my brother the past 3 years and its been good each time). 

How about we just do both?

you want MY in-depth analysis? heres what I posted on Bleacher Report:

Nick LaMarca  posted about 5 hours ago:

I dont think there is any need to trade up. If anything trade back. Im not convinced that they were at the Texas pro-day to scout Aaron Williams. Im sure they took a look but I think they are more interested in Williams teammate Curtis Brown.

My best case scenario would look something like this: IF a top-flight OL, DL or surprise CB (J. Smith) drop to the Steelers at 31, take him. If not trade with a team looking to jump back into the first round for a QB, Bills/Cards/Bengals/etc., to get that extra high second round pick. With that second round pick you either take the best OL, DL, or CB available. Aaron Williams and/or Brandon Harris may still be there, but they like Curtis Brown so there is no need to panic if those two are not. Then use the 63rd pick to address the area that they missed. If they take an O or DL at the top of the second round Ras-I Dowling from VTech should be sitting there waiting at 63. Meaning you have picked up a high second round pick instead of reaching for a low first round pick, plus a solid late second round pick in a draft that is very deep at the positions that the Steelers need. The trade would also likely net them a 3rd or 4th rounder, at which point you take your final missing piece from the OL, DL, CB pie AND Florida guard Marcus Gilbert. This way they get a CB, a DL and 2 OL regardless of who they draft where. That leaves the rest of the draft to select BPA and positional players depending on who is on the board. I cant stress enough that there are 3 positions of need, but that doesnt mean that they have to reach for players that they dont like. They can trade back in a deep draft class, get their players plus an extra pick or two. Trading up, IMO, should not be an option.

the article was talking about whether they should trade up or down or stay put.

They traded up 3 years ago for Santonio Holmes and 6 years ago for Troy P. They traded down 2 years ago, their 3rd for denvers 3rd and 4th

Its deep at the positions the Steelers need but not at QB which is why teams that need them and dont take them in the first would be interested in tradding back to the first before a team directly above them can grab the QB they want in round 2 a la Tim Tebow.

i think its gonna happen with some team, maybe not the steelers, but i really think one of the QB needy teams who dont get one in the first will get a jump on locker,  mallett, kapernick or dalton

MFisH wrote:

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ya no nick so it might be dead but danny i got something for u to think about..

I am wodnering why teams draft QB's in the 2nd round.  I did some research and noticed about 60% about the leagues starting QB’s from this past year were selected in the 1^st round.  More importantly, 75% of the starting QB’s in the playoffs are 1^st round picks.  As for 2^nd round QBs, the only QB who has done anything recently is Drew Breese. The only other teams to even start a QB from the 2^nd round were teams like Philly with Kevin Kolb (will be traded), Chad Henne (might get traded) and Tarvaris Jackson (won’t be back).  I feel with a position as important as a QB, you have to draft them in the 1^st round otherwise you might as well take one in the later rounds and hope to develop a player such as a Tom Brady, Matt Cassel, or Tony Romo.  So why do teams consistently waste there 2^nd rounders on QB’s who almost never pan out, when they can draft potential pro bowl players at a position like RB or WR?  What r ur thoughts on this danny?

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 Fish, me and you usually fail to see eye to eye on most topics that come across this beloved forum of ours. But this post is straight GOLD wrapped in a blanket of PLATINUM DIAMOND CRUSTED VAGINAS.

Every year there are usually only 4, maybe 5 quarterbacks that are coming out of the draft that display the talents needed to play that position in the NFL. QB in the NFL is by far the hardest position to play in ANY sport, which is why out of 200+ college QBs leaving the NCAA each year, only 4 or 5 have or display the skill stes needed to compete and improve at the next level. After these 4-5 QBs, the rest that get drafted are usually hardcore long-term projects. Don't get me wrong, some will pan out, some will become greats, but there is no reason to draft them in the 2nd round. 1st and 2nd round selections should be reserved for a QB that you would be willing to start RIGHT NOW. They should not be used to select QBs that you intend to groom, leave those type picks for the second day of the draft.

MFisH wrote:

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haha thanks for the high praise.  i emailed that same question to peter king so i hope he agrees with u and posts my question in his mailbag 2mrw.  but ya, i dont even think a qb should be taken in the 2nd round unless it was a kevin kolb type pick, where the starter is gonna b there for a few more years and u want him as ur future qb.  but as the eagles just showed, that didnt even work out so well.  if u need a qb, u need to get them in the 1st round, and normally in the 1st half of the 1st round.  as u said there are only gonna b a few of them who can lead a team, and normally u no if there gonna b good so u gotta draft them early.  using a 2nd rounder on them means they have potential, but there not good enough to be 1st rounders, that is basically wasting a very high pick when u can easily draft a pro bowl skill position in that slot, such as a leasen mccoy or deseasn jackson.  u either draft a qb early in the 1st, or wait til the later rounds (4th on) and hope u can develop them, taking a 2nd rounder is a normally a wasted pick

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 To me, a QB who is drafted in the 2nd rounder is just as good enough to be drafted in the 1st, it just came down to a matter of team needs and a few other things. Kolb was on many peoples first round mock drafts too. To me, 2nd round QBs should be viewed at the same as using a 1st rounder.

However, Fish you have to remember that this new rookie wage scale is going to completely change how teams draft. I actually forsee much more 2nd round selections used on QBs in the future.

MFisH wrote:

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i think u are getting my point and missing my point.  my point is, if the qb isnt good enough to draft in the 1st round, why bother drafting him.  if the guy slips to the 2nd, it shows that every single team in the league didnt think he was good enough to draft the 1st time around, and chances are he is not going to succeed.  the ONLY 2nd round qb who has done anything the past 10 years is drew breese.  i feel if a team doesnt want to spend a 1st rounder on a qb, u might as well not draft one until the 4th round because the chances of a 4th round qb becoming a quality player are just as good if not better than drafting one in the 2nd round, howevery u can use ur 2nd rounder on more of a safer pick such as a rb. 

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Well I guess that is where we disagree. Just because a team doesn't draft the player in the 1st doesnt mean that they dont think he is worth a 1st. There are things called team needs. 

look what i found!

http://blogs.rotoworld.com/Fantasy_Football/2011/01/the_lack_of_success_of_secondr.php

saying it here right now on the record, i want eagles to only go defense in the 1st round,  who ever is the best player on the board, but most likely it will be 1. corner or 2. olb/de. with that said guys i want look like this:

1. jimmy smith

2. prince A. (spell check but he is cb from nebraksa)

3. brooks reed (arizona outlineback/DE)

if i had to guess who philly trys to get it will be brooks reed or jimmy smith

MFisH wrote:

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from Peter King:

 

15. Miami Dolphins

Will Pick: Andy Dalton, QB, TCU
Should Pick: Andy Dalton, QB, TCU

Of the 19 teams that worked out Dalton individually or hosted him for a visit, none was as exhaustive as the Dolphins, and I hear they liked what they saw. I could see them trading down -- they're desperate to recoup the second-round pick they lost in the Brandon Marshall deal -- and taking either Dalton or Arkansas QB Ryan Mallett later. With solid running backs available in the middle rounds, Miami won't go for Alabama's Mark Ingram here.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/04/20/2011-nfl-mock-draft/index.html#ixzz1KGoUre7G

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 God you love every word that this Peter King guy says don't you. Who knows if they really liked what they saw? Nobody, of course they are going to say they liked what they saw......anyone who is looking at Dalton now has to be worried about Miami selecting him....hence forcing a trade up.

But yes, I have heard many rumblings about this guy. I've already been saying for 3 weeks that Dalton will be a first rounder.