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hahah, caught me!  for anyone who thought i have time at work to bust out a 32 team 4,000 word rough draft in my spare time i was clearly joking.

but i do like some of his picks, esp the eagles getting luke kuecly! 



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do you know what copyright laws are? the fact that a) the writer of this mock uses capital letters and periods and spells out words like 'are' 'be' and 'you' b) has links to every players profile and c)uses font not available in our forum, this is NOT YOU MOCK DRAFT. hahaha come on fish did you really think we would believe you wrote this?


 

That had me laughing out loud.



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MFisH wrote:

hahah, caught me!  for anyone who thought i have time at work to bust out a 32 team 4,000 word rough draft in my spare time i was clearly joking.

but i do like some of his picks, esp the eagles getting luke kuecly! 


 Are we sure he was joking? Or just praying he doesn't get caught (not sure how this would happen though!)?



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do you know what copyright laws are? the fact that a) the writer of this mock uses capital letters and periods and spells out words like 'are' 'be' and 'you' b) has links to every players profile and c)uses font not available in our forum, this is NOT YOU MOCK DRAFT. hahaha come on fish did you really think we would believe you wrote this?


 I bet Mel Kiper didn't have a copyright infringement statement at the end of his mock draft, or this would never have been a problem....



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Todd Mcshay draft 2.0

 

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Indianapolis Colts

Record: 2-14

Andrew Luck*, QB, Stanford

The status of Colts legend Peyton Manning is still up in the air after multiple neck surgeries, and Manning will be 36 years old next season. Meanwhile, Luck is a once-in-a-generation prospect with the physical tools and mental makeup to start from day one. Given the financial considerations involved, the smart decision is to draft Luck and part ways with Manning.

 

 

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St. Louis Rams

Record: 2-14

Matt Kalil*, OT, USC

Rams QB Sam Bradford (No 1 overall, 2010) needs better protection to reach his full potential. Current St. Louis LOT Jason Smith has fallen short of expectations after being taken second overall in 2009, and with Kalil's size, athleticism and nasty disposition he is ready to take over at left tackle from the first day of training camp.

 

 

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Minnesota Vikings

Record: 3-13

Riley Reiff*, OT, Iowa

The Vikings desperately need offensive weapons to help young QB Christian Ponder, but they also need to better protect their investment in Ponder. Reiff needs to get stronger, but he is an underrated athlete with the potential to become a very good starting left tackle in the NFL.

 

 

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Cleveland Browns

Record: 4-12

Robert Griffin III*, QB, Baylor

Current Browns QB Colt McCoy has shown good toughness, mental capacity and short-to-intermediate accuracy, but his lack of size and arm strength to drive the ball downfield put too many limitations on the offense. Assuming no team trades ahead of them to take Griffin, the Browns can add a dynamic weapon who will open things up. He still must improve his consistency as a decision-maker and with his underneath touch/accuracy, but his downfield accuracy was vastly improved in 2011.

 

 

 

Current Buccaneers RB LeGarrette Blount is no Trent Richardson (Alabama), but taking a running back this early is always a reach and Tampa Bay's cornerback situation is a nightmare with Ronde Barber on the decline and Aqib Talib facing off-field issues. Claiborne would bring to Tampa the best man-to-man cover skills in the 2012 class, along with good speed and instincts.

 

 

 

 

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Justin Blackmon*, WR, Oklahoma State

This pick is made with the assumption the Redskins do not trade up to take Griffin and plan to fill their quarterback need via free agency (Peyton Manning?). They also have a need at cornerback and would likely take Claiborne if he were available, but in this scenario Blackmon is the best choice. He offers an upgrade over current starters Santana Moss and Jabar Gaffney and would give Washington a big-bodied receiver who can produce down the field.

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Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina

The Jaguars are desperate for help at receiver, but Blackmon is off the board and Coples presents great value at this point. He's the most talented defensive prospect in the 2012 class and showcased a versatile skill set and the potential to be a dominant player throughout Senior Bowl week.

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Miami Dolphins

Record: 6-10

Melvin Ingram, DE/OLB, South Carolina

Quarterback and right offensive tackle are bigger needs, but there is not an available player at either of those positions who's worth drafting here. Cameron Wake is Miami's only legitimate pass-rushing threat and he turns 30 next season, so Ingram makes sense. He can play tackle in a four-man front or end in a three-man front, giving the Dolphins the scheme versatility they want under new defensive coordinator Kevin Coye, and Ingram had a penchant for making big plays during his senior season.

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Carolina Panthers

Record: 5-11

Carolina also has needs at receiver, cornerback and guard, but coach Ron Rivera needs a disruptive force along the defensive interior, and Brockers can be just that. He's a massive presence and strong, quick and aware as a run-stuffer. While he'll never be a great pass-rusher, Brockers has more potential in that area than his college production would seem to indicate.

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Buffalo Bills

Record: 6-10

Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama

Buffalo nailed the 2011 draft with three strong picks on defense (DL Marcell Dareus, CB Aaron Williams, LB Kelvin Sheppard), and the chance to add a pass-rusher like Upshaw would be hard to pass up. Upshaw is a versatile DE/OLB hybrid, and while he doesn't have elite speed he shows savvy as a pass-rusher and effective quickness-to-power moves. He's also very strong against the run and was highly productive in the SEC.

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Seattle Seahawks

Record: 7-9

Trent Richardson*, RB, Alabama

Richardson is a top-five talent but will likely slip a bit because of positional value considerations. Falling this far would be a surprise, but none of the teams in the top 10 have a pressing need at running back. If none of them ignore need to take the best player available, the Seahawks will feel like they've won the lottery. Both Marshawn Lynch and Justin Forsett are free agents, and Richardson would bring with him an elite combination of size, speed, power, quickness and vision.

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Luke Kuechly*, ILB, Boston College

Bigger holes exist along the offensive line and at nose tackle, but Kuechly is clearly the best player on the board at this point. He would give new coach Romeo Crennel the kind of leadership and production Tedy Bruschi provided for the New England defenses Crennel coached in the early 2000s. Kuechly shows rare instincts and is a healthier version of current Cowboys standout Sean Lee.

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David DeCastro*, G, Stanford

This might seem a bit high for a guard, but DeCastro was the most dominant interior offensive lineman in the nation in 2011 and has a chance to develop into one of the elite NFL players at his position. Offensive tackle is also a need area, but DeCastro is a much better overall player than the top available tackle. Cornerback could also be a consideration, but both Janoris Jenkins (North Alabama) and Dre Kirkpatrick (Alabama) carry off-field baggage.

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Dallas Cowboys

Record: 8-8

Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama

Corner is clearly the Cowboys' top need area, and Jenkins proved at the Senior Bowl that he's still an elite cover corner after spending a year at the Division II level. Dallas will need to get comfortable with his character issues, though, including legal issues that led to his dismissal from the Florida program.

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Devon Still, DT, Penn State
Opinions on Still vary widely. I have a late-first-round grade on him, but many feel he is a mid-first-rounder. There is a lot to like about his upside, given his size and ability to penetrate and disrupt. He is inconsistent on tape, but it's hard to find guys with his combination of skills. Alabama S Mark Barron would be a consideration, but the Eagles got S Jaiquan Jarrett in the second round last year, and this would be a bit early for an outside linebacker like North Carolina's Zach Brown. Philadelphia fans, feel free to disagree.

 

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New York Jets

Record: 8-8

Mark Barron, S, Alabama

The Jets need help in the secondary to deal with the Patriots' tight end duo of Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez twice a season, and Barron is the only 2012 safety prospect with a first-round grade. He does everything well, showing instincts and playmaking skills in coverage and the ability to be a physical run defender when playing near the box.

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Cincinnati Bengals (from OAK)

Record: 9-7

Dre Kirkpatrick*, CB, Alabama

Character is not high on the Bengals' list of priorities when evaluating prospects, so they won't be turned off by Kirkpatrick's recent off-field issues. Cincinnati needs help on the defensive perimeter with Leon Hall coming off an injury and uncertainty surrounding Pacman Jones and Kelly Jennings, and Kirkpatrick can provide it. He will never be an elite man-to-man cover corner, but he has good size and is instinctive, athletic and physical.

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Jonathan Martin*, OT, Stanford

San Diego needs an upgrade over current right tackle Jeromey Clary, and Martin has starting potential. He's still growing into his body and was not as dominant as I'd hoped when I went back to the 2011 tape, but he still has good run-blocking skills and remains a potential first-rounder.

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Chicago Bears

Record: 8-8

Kendall Wright*, WR, Baylor

The Bears have not spent a first-round pick on a wide receiver since David Terrell in 2001, and at some point they have to pull the trigger on a playmaker for QB Jay Cutler. A versatile speedster who can threaten defenses vertically and is dangerous after the catch, Wright is on the rise after catching 108 passes for 1,663 yards and hauling in 14 touchdowns in 2011.

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Tennessee Titans

Record: 9-7

Nick Perry*, DE, USC

The Titans have three defensive ends set to become free agents and need a dynamic pass-rusher to complement Derrick Morgan. While Perry is raw, he has good initial burst and natural pass-rush skills. Cornerback, safety and offensive line are also need areas, but Perry makes the most sense in this situation.

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Lamar Miller*, RB, Miami

Cedric Benson is set to become a free agent, so the Bengals need speed in the backfield, and Miller is a burner. No back in the class has a better combination of lateral agility and acceleration, and while this might be a bit of a reach given his postseason shoulder surgery, Miller is a home run threat who would be a nice complement to budding starts QB Andy Dalton and WR A.J. Green.

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Cleveland Browns (from ATL)

Record: 4-12

Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame

Floyd is a big downfield target with better run-after-catch ability than he's given credit for, and he is a hard worker who has matured after some off-field issues early in his career. Adding RG3 and Floyd would give the Cleveland offense a badly needed shot in the arm, much like the Bengals got from Dalton and Green in 2011.

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Detroit Lions

Record: 10-6

Cordy Glenn, G, Georgia

There is no cornerback or linebacker available who is worth this pick, so it might be an opportunity for the Lions to trade back with at team looking to trade up and get a quarterback like Ryan Tannehill (Texas A&M) or Brock Osweiler (Arizona State). If not, Glenn is a solid pick. He has the size and power to thrive at guard in the NFL and could develop into a solid right tackle at some point. He held up well against top pass-rushers at the Senior Bowl but is still a work in progress at that position.

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Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State

The Steelers have been plagued by injuries and inconsistency along the offensive line, and there's no question Adams has the natural ability to quickly emerge as a starting tackle in the NFL. He's not as nasty as I would like a first-round tackle to be, but he's an easy mover for his size (6-foot-7, 323 pounds) and capable of upgrading the perimeter protection around battered QB Ben Roethlisberger.

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Denver Broncos

Record: 8-8

Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M

This would clearly be an unpopular pick in Denver, but the Broncos need to bring in competition for Tim Tebow, and not many free-agent quarterbacks will be willing to walk into a pressure-cooker situation alongside Tebow. If not here, Denver will be forced to wait until the 57th overall pick (assuming no trades are made), and at that point all of the top six quarterbacks will likely be off the board. Tannehill is intriguing because he's a good athlete (former wide receiver) who can operate some of the same option and rollout concepts the Broncos have implemented for Tebow. Denver would also have a legitimate prospect to develop if Tebow is unable to significantly improve his accuracy, so it seems like a good fit. However, there are also needs at corner, defensive tackle and tight end to consider.

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Houston Texans

Record: 10-6

Coby Fleener*, TE, Stanford

The Texans would rather get a wideout here to complement Andre Johnson, but Rutgers' Mohamed Sanu and South Carolina's Alshon Jeffery would be reaches at this point. A difference-maker at tight end would help, though, and Fleener is a reliable target with toughness, a competitive nature and underrated speed/athleticism. He could draw some attention to the middle away from Johnson, and with a deep wideout class Houston could find a quality receiver in the next couple of rounds.

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New England Patriots (from N.O.)

Record: 12-4

Chandler Jones*, DE, Syracuse

The Patriots have two first-round picks, and while coach Bill Belichick's track record indicates he'll trade one of them, we have to project both to the Patriots until we know otherwise. Jones is an under-the-radar pass-rusher with the frame (6-5, 247) Bill Belichick likes in his DE/OLB hybrids, and he's a gifted athlete who bends the edge naturally. He's the brother of Ravens DL Arthur Jones and MMA sensation Jon Jones.

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Green Bay Packers

Record: 15-1

Ronnell Lewis*, OLB, Oklahoma

This is a bit of a reach, but no more so than any of the players who fit Green Bay's need at defensive end (5-technique) or cornerback. The Packers must find a pass-rusher who can complement OLB Clay Matthews, and Lewis would bring natural burst and athleticism to the table.

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Baltimore Ravens

Record: 12-4

Vontaze Burfict*, ILB, Arizona State

Burfict is a physical freak with tremendous athleticism and explosive power. He's a top-20 talent, but questions about his discipline on and off the field are hurting his stock. However, Burfict could contribute immediately and would benefit greatly from the leadership and guidance of Ravens MLB Ray Lewis. And you have to wonder whether the Ravens would press their luck and take another player with character flags after bringing CB Jimmy Smith into the fold last year.

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Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska

Dennard has some durability issues and lacks ideal recovery speed, but he shows good instincts and a physical style, and his 2010 tape is far better than the injury-plagued version we saw in 2011. He could be a good fit for a 49ers secondary that could lose Carlos Rogers to free agency and needs an overall talent upgrade.

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New York Giants

Record: 9-7

Dwayne Allen*, TE, Clemson

Alabama ILB Dont'a Hightower would be a good fit, but also a bit of a reach, and offensive tackle and cornerback are also on the Giants' short list. However, given the players available, a seam-stretching tight end such as Allen would be a good option. He could open up some room for New York's perimeter threats, and he also improved as an in-line blocker in 2011.

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Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson

Filling a need at wide receiver would be a reach here, so Thompson becomes attractive. His motor runs hot and cold and he played much better in 2010, but Thompson can be overpowering against the run and flashes the ability to collapse the pocket as a pass-rusher. Other interior DLs who could be on the radar: Jerel Worthy (Michigan State), Fletcher Cox (Mississippi State), Devon Still (Penn State) and Dontari Poe (Memphis).



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also on dalton, since he was a 2nd rounder (and on the bengals) i think he is going to suck now.  my 2nd round qb theory is the highest of all theorys and trumps all other predictions

 


 i was looking back trying to find the convo where we talked about 2nd round QBs always being a bust and there is no reason to take them because if they were good enough they would go in the first and i found this gem haha



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that might be a bold prediction for me -> weeden to the phins in the 2nd <-



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the fact that dalton outperformed ponder, gabbart, locker and kapernick proves that it doesnt matter what round QBs are drafted in



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ryan mallet is the prototypical project pick. he will be a stud in a few years. might not be with the pats but that doesnt mean its because he isnt a good QB much like the matt flynn situation and in many ways drew brees

if they can get a 1st round pick for a guy they drafted in the 3rd that is certainly a win for their franchise



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The Broncos taking Tannehill, when they swore Brady Quinn was ready to start???????? Come on McShay. $1K he changes that eventually.

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ya and richardson to the seahawks is dumb too IMO

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i mean richardson wont go to seattle if they re-sign lynch, which we will know before trhe draft. 

eagles would love to have that guy who mcshay picked fot them, but i doubt a dt drops to 15th.

nick, what would u do if ravens got ur boy Burfict?



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ya and richardson to the seahawks is dumb too IMO


 I agree and disagree. First round selections on RBs are risky these days to start, but could you imagine Richardson AND Lynch. Scary backfield, but they still need a QB or else that RB combo will never be able to perform.



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most teams dont spend big money on a FA rb (like seattle is gonig to do) and then use a top 11 pick on another rb.  Rb is a luxury pick i feel, u dont need a top one to win the super bowl anymore, and as u said, a team with bigger holes like seattle doesnt need to be drafting a backup rb with their top pick haha



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sounds like fred jackson and cj spiller to me.

id much rather resign lynch and spend that pick elsewhere. why isnt anyone talking about branden weeden? i guess because hes old (like 28) but he seemed pretty good. looks like hes gonna be a second round washout just like the rest of them

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no 28 year olds go in the 1st round unless their guards because everyone knows thats the prime ripe age to draft an OG!



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hahaha i was waiting for something like that. too easy!

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in all seriousness, watkins ended up being pretty good. worth a 1st round pick?  prolly too eary to tell but our oline is one of the best in the league now so its not like he was a bust.  i just wish we drafted an impact saftey or linebacker with that pick



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6ixty wrote:

sounds like fred jackson and cj spiller to me.

id much rather resign lynch and spend that pick elsewhere. why isnt anyone talking about branden weeden? i guess because hes old (like 28) but he seemed pretty good. looks like hes gonna be a second round washout just like the rest of them


 Brandon Weeden is good, he will jump into the first round. He will be good too.



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is that a bold prediction danny?  sounds like a good one to me!  make sure u post it in the correct section if u want props!



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my question then is, would you be happy if the dolphins selected him in the 2nd round? careful how you answer

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my question then is, would you be happy if the dolphins selected him in the 2nd round? careful how you answer


 Absolutely I would. I just said I think he is 1st round.

The whole second round QB curse thing to me is kinda dead. For every one that flopped, there is one who succeeded. You hear more of them succeeding now then flopping like we are used to in the past.



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i admit, my theory is not flawless-every once in a while a team gets a good one in the 2nd round. since u so easily forgot, please look at my qb predictions and u notice i had dalton has "chance to be good," so i was bound to be wrong one way or the other on him once he went in the 2nd.

however dannys boy collin kapernick has not anything as of yet, and might not even see the field the way alex smith is playing for a long time.

in 2010 the only qb taken in the 2nd round was jimmy clasen who has proven he is a bust already.

2009 only qb taken was pat white, who is out of the league already

2008 you got brian brohm and chad hennie. 

and finally in 2007 u got kevin kolb and john beck

so in 5 years there has been 1 qb still actually contributing with the team that drafted him out of 8.  i think my theory is a damn one son!



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Yeah but theres my point, all your talking about is the Dolphins, who were desperate for a QB, and made desperate attempts to get them.

News flash fish, there are 31 other teams in the NFL. Also, there aren't any staff left from that era for the Phins.

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its not all dolphins. kapernick, clausen, brohm and kolb all went elsewhere

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r u talking to me or nick?



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in the past 5 years, 7 out of the 8 qbs drafted in the 2nd round are either out of the league, not with the team that drafted them anymore, or a backup who is not going to play for a while.  based off these numbers over a 5 year time period there is an 87.5% chance that pick was not a good one.  danny, to say "The whole second round QB curse thing to me is kinda dead" isnt a very good statment because one qb had a good year recently.



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Fish also believes in the Madden curse.

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6ixty wrote:

the fact that dalton outperformed ponder, gabbart, locker and kapernick means that it doesnt matter what round QBs are drafted in


 Thank you!

Fish wants me to believe that scientifically if your a QB and drafted in the second round then you will not succeed.

Thats a load of ****. QB washout rates are high as **** to start, regardless of draft position. There are 32 teams in the NFL, and about half would be considered great.



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1st of all this isnt a curse.  2nd, nothing is 100% with this and i never claimed to say that.  so just cuz 1 guy does something different doesnt make it wrong for every one.  it is about A MAJORITY and PROBABLITLY.  i said a year ago a majority of qbs drafted in the 2nd round dont make it and a team shouldnt draft one there.  the point of drafting a qb with a high pick (2nd round) is to find a franchise qb, and in just the past 5 years alone i have shown the chance of finding a franchise qb in the 2nd round are slim to none.

yes, there are bust in every round, but the chance of finding a franchise qb in the 1st round is more like 50% comapred to about 12.5% in the 2nd (over the past 5 years) so ur an idiot if u think this has no correlation.



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Fish, QBs taken in the first round seem to be given years and years and years to prove they are busts, while second round picks must prove immedietaly. Take Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick as examples.

You now praise Alex Smith as a good draft pick by the 49ers, and use Kaepernick as an example of a bad use of second round choice.

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6ixty wrote:

the fact that dalton outperformed ponder, gabbart, locker and kapernick proves that it doesnt matter what round QBs are drafted in


 Ponder - didn't play most of the year

Locker - played behind Hasselbeck who played well

Kaepernick - played behind Alex Smith who was winning games

Gabbert - Played with the worst offense in NFL

Dalton was the only one of that group who seems like a great pick, while others seem like busts, but if you notice the group, only Gabbert started the entire season. You can't claim any busts this early.



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i said he is in the category of "prolly wont play for awhile" which to me is a wasted pick.  looking back, do u think the nfc runner ups would rather have an impact player with that pick or a back up qb who might not play for 2-3 more years?

regardless, here is what i said in april:

I am wodnering why teams draft QB's in the 2nd round.  I did some research and noticed about 60% about the leagues starting QB’s from this past year were selected in the 1st round.  More importantly, 75% of the starting QB’s in the playoffs are 1st round picks.  As for 2nd round QBs, the only QB who has done anything recently is Drew Breese. The only other teams to even start a QB from the 2nd round were teams like Philly with Kevin Kolb (will be traded), Chad Henne (might get traded) and Tarvaris Jackson (won’t be back).  I feel with a position as important as a QB, you have to draft them in the 1st round otherwise you might as well take one in the later rounds and hope to develop a player such as a Tom Brady, Matt Cassel, or Tony Romo.  So why do teams consistently waste there 2nd rounders on QB’s who almost never pan out, when they can draft potential pro bowl players at a position like RB or WR?  What r ur thoughts on this danny?

 

if u need a qb, u need to get them in the 1st round, and normally in the 1st half of the 1st round.  as u said there are only gonna b a few of them who can lead a team, and normally u no if there gonna b good so u gotta draft them early.  using a 2nd rounder on them means they have potential, but there not good enough to be 1st rounders, that is basically wasting a very high pick when u can easily draft a pro bowl skill position in that slot, such as a leasen mccoy or deseasn jackson.  u either draft a qb early in the 1st, or wait til the later rounds (4th on) and hope u can develop them, taking a 2nd rounder is a normally a wasted pick

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Fish, me and you usually fail to see eye to eye on most topics that come across this beloved forum of ours. But this post is straight GOLD wrapped in a blanket of PLATINUM DIAMOND CRUSTED VAGINAS.

so please tell me how all of a sudden i am now wrong becuase andy dalton had a decent year?



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Off the topic, but I personally think Jake Locker is going to be a great NFL quarterback for the Titans. Not sure when he will play while Hasselsack is on the team though.

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All I'm saying is that if you need a QB and there is one you like, just the fact that its in the second round shouldn't stop you from taking him.

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HAHAHA, did u really just try ti change the subject after the post i just did?  haha get out of here



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My response again:

if u need a qb, u need to get them in the 1st round, and normally in the 1st half of the 1st round. as u said there are only gonna b a few of them who can lead a team, and normally u no if there gonna b good so u gotta draft them early. using a 2nd rounder on them means they have potential, but there not good enough to be 1st rounders, that is basically wasting a very high pick when u can easily draft a pro bowl skill position in that slot, such as a leasen mccoy or deseasn jackson. u either draft a qb early in the 1st, or wait til the later rounds (4th on) and hope u can develop them, taking a 2nd rounder is a normally a wasted pick


You also are forgetting that we were talking about teams that need a starting QB. There are several teams that could use an upgrade, but not an immediate starter, and that is where the second round QB selections happen.

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i also said that back in april:

haha thanks for the high praise.  i emailed that same question to peter king so i hope he agrees with u and posts my question in his mailbag 2mrw.  but ya, i dont even think a qb should be taken in the 2nd round unless it was a kevin kolb type pick, where the starter is gonna b there for a few more years and u want him as ur future qb.  but as the eagles just showed, that didnt even work out so well.  if u need a qb, u need to get them in the 1st round, and normally in the 1st half of the 1st round.  as u said there are only gonna b a few of them who can lead a team, and normally u no if there gonna b good so u gotta draft them early. 



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All I'm saying is that if you need a QB and there is one you like, just the fact that its in the second round shouldn't stop you from taking him.


 all im saying (and proved) is the majority of the time when a qb gets picked in the 2nd round it doesnt work out and ends up being a wasted pick.  if a team needs a qb as u said, u need to trade up to get the one with a higher potential. 



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If you want a starter, don't be expecting that if your using a second rounder for a QB. Like I said, if you want a starting QB to build your franchise around, that happens in the first round. Second rounders are viewed as projects, and I never think can be expected to come in right away and start.

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danny, being a dolphins fan with all the success they have had recently i understand why u think teams can just waste a 2nd round pick as a project pick and not try to use it to get, u no a starter, but last time i checked theres 7 rounds and normally 4-7 rounds are "project picks," not 2nd rounders.

please name me ONE qb drafted in the 2nd round viewed as a project who has then become a franchise qb (and no drew breese doesnt count, they thougth he was a day 1 starter and he is no longer with the team)

 



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Fish, I think we agree on things that we don't even think were agreeing on.

But for the sake of the forum, lets keep disagree'ing!

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danny, being a dolphins fan with all the success they have had recently i understand why u think teams can just waste a 2nd round pick as a project pick and not try to use it to get, u no a starter, but last time i checked theres 7 rounds and normally 4-7 rounds are "project picks," not 2nd rounders.


 kind of like ryan mallet (3rd round)



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i think ur right too, but i want you to say, "fish i was wrong for saying ur 2nd round theory was stupid, u are the man."

 



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I will not do that. Sit on it.

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Chase Cox wrote:

fish i was wrong for saying ur 2nd round theory was stupid, u are the man


 thanks bro! lunch time, pz!



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Sometimes I have to think about men in the shower in order to get me going in the morn


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MFisH wrote:
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fish i was wrong for saying ur 2nd round theory was stupid, u are the man


 thanks bro! lunch time, pz!


 i dont see a single post where you guys agree on anything haha why are you saying your agree with each other all of a sudden?



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not only did danny get owned in this debate, but he also basically disagreed/forgot what he wrote just later april saying my post abotu 2nd round qbs being worthless was brillant but now doesn't think that makes sense and is stupid.  him saying we are basically agreeing with each other was his way of saying "GET ME OUT OF THIS ARGUEMENT BEFORE I SAY SOMETHING DUMB AGAIN!"

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Well the season is officially over, so without further ado here is my first mock draft ( my own mock not any fish copying n pasting bull****)

1)Colts - Andrew Luck QB

DUH

2)Rams - Matt Kalil OT

I fully expect them to trade out of this spot, but if they don't they need someone who can keep Sam Bradford standing, 70 sacks in 26 career games is absurd

3)Vikings - Riley Reiff OT

They got their QB of the future in Ponder, now it's time to keep him protected. It's time to start replacing the oldest line in the league

4)Browns - RG III QB

Shurmer is asking to get fired if he sends Colt McCoy out there for another season

5)Buccaneers - Trent Richardson RB

Their new coach really believes in running the damn ball, and LeGarret Blount isn't enough. During his time at Rutgers there were a few seasons where his run attempts far outweighed his pass attempts! This guy believes in a classic two back system (ala Ray Rice and Brian Leonard during their time at Rutgers)

6)Redskins - Justin Blackmon WR

Sanatana Moss is old, and no one else on this roster is even a #2 receiver. No brainer here.

7)Jaguars - Quinten Coples DE

The Jags had a very strong defense last year, but still couldn't manage a pass rush. This guy will be the next Julius Peppers, you can count on it.

8)Panthers - Morris Claiborne CB

The NFC South is home to some of the best QB's and WR's in the league. Pairing Claiborne up w/ Chris Gamble should help to lock down the wild wild south a little bit more and give them one of the best corner tandems in the league.

9)Dolphins - Courtney Upshaw DE

The Dolphins are transitioning to a 4-3 Defense and need a bookend pass rusher for Cameron Wake. Enter Upshaw a man beast.

10)Bills - Melvin Ingram DE

The Bills showed flashes last year, but that was it, flashes. If they can get this Defense stronger they could really do some damage. The first way to generate damage? A Pass Rush, which they do not have. Mr.Brady/Sanchez/TBA Dolphins QB, Mr.Ingram is waiting for you.

11)Chiefs - Jonathan Martin OT

They need help along the line, and Barry Richardson sucks.

12)Seahawks - Devon Still DT

They're probably going to lose Red Bryant to free agency, and without him their run stopping game takes a huge hit. This guy will slide in nicely and take over for Red for the next few years.

13)Cardinals - Janoris Jenkins CB

Patrick Peterson looked lost out there last year, they need more talent in the secondary for sure.

14) Dallas Cowboys - David Decastro G

The interior of Dallas' line is AWFUL. and Phil Costa is my favorite Cowboy, so that says it all right there.

15)Eagles - Luke Kuechly ILB

Self explanatory.

16)Jets - Mark Barron S

The Jets secondary behind Revis and Cro is non existant, They need Safety help. Leonhard can't stay healthy and their other starting Safety whose name escapes me at the moment is mediocre at best. And Brodney Pool got bitched by Ahmad Bradshaw like it was Brandon Jacobs hiting him or something, nuff said.

17)Bengals - Dre Kirkpatrick CB

The Bengals got exposed when Leon Hall went down with his injury. They also couldn't really find anyone to replace Jonathan Joseph, they draft this highly impactful CB to make a difference.


18) Chargers - Whitney Mercilus LB

The Chargers need a pass rusher, that is why they draft this dude. Nuff Said.

19) Bears - Michael Floyd WR

Do I really need to explain this one?

20) Titans - Dontari Poe DT

Big dude to help anchor the middle of their defensive line.

21) Bengals (VIA OAK) - Doug Martin RB

Ced is gone baby, and this guy will fit like a dream in Jay Grudens West Coast system

22)Browns (VIA ATL) - Alshon Jeffrey WR

They need a real #1 WR for RGIII to throw to, and Greg Little aint it.

23)Lions - Zach Brown LB

Their offense is explosive, now the defense just needs a little work and starting by making their LBers even scarier.

24)Steelers - Mike Adams OT

If you need an explanation you don't watch football.

25) Broncos- Ryan Tannehill

Too good of a value to pass up at this point. Will push Tebow for playing time.

26)Texans - Nick Perry OLB/DE

Mario Williams might walk this year, so why not get his replaceement?

27)Patriots - Kendall Wright WR/KR

The Patriots need a deep threat to stretch the field. A perfect fit.

28)Packers - Dont'a Hightower ILB

AJ Hawk sucked last year, time to find a new/future ILB.

29) Ravens - Vontaze Burfict LB

This guy screams Ravens and will be this teams future Ray Lewis.

30) 49er's - Peter Konz C

They need a Center, period.

31) Patriots - Fletcher Cox DL

Can you name any Patriots D-Lineman besides Wilfork? Exactly.

32) NY Giants - Dewayne Allen TE

Ballards been solid but he's not a true receiving threat, add this guy to the mix and the Giants offense is a WHOLE lot scarier.







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