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ya i bet you know more about the steelers cap situation than the steelers do.............................................................................................

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130227/nfl-mock-draft-2/?sct=hp_t11_a4&eref=sihp

 

please punch me in the face if eagles go guard with the 4th pick.  i dont care how good he is, u dont go guard with a top 5 pick!

y i dont listen to u? haha.  anyone whos watched an alabama game knows hes good, u just dont draft a guard with a top 4 pick.  u need impact players not interior linemen.  if u plan to draft a guard u trade down

im not saying i know more than the steelers, im sure they have a plan.  i was the one a few years ago after the eagles had their dream team signings and u all said eagles were screwed in 2 years (plus shady n djax were up for deals) that the eagles would be screwed when now they have over 30 mil in space n both players r signed, so i know its hard to predict the future.  but its a fact that when teams re-structure contracts by doing what the steelers are doing it only leads to future cap issues, just look at the jets.  but im sure there not gonna have a ton of space for the next few years either, u dont get short and long term reliefy by doing what their doing.  luckily they dont have too many younger players who will command a big deal, only person i can think of is pouncey.  sucks there in this situation, having to let a player like mike wallace walk for nothing is never a positive, i cant think of the last time a 25 year old pro bowl WR hit the open market.  better hope u draft well!

 

I've always been a Breaston fan, he put up some pretty nice numbers the year the Cards went to the Superbowl (under Haley) I'd be very happy with this signing.

MFisH wrote:

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mike wallace < steve breston

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 yeah no ****, but only if wallace leaves ;)

New game: Mock off season!

Create a mock offseason for your team detailing:

Cuts/Restructers/Salary Cuts
FA signings
In team re-signings (ala will beatty re-signed by giants)
Trades

and finally Mock Draft... what say you all?

 

As with the MockDrafts we'll institute a point system for who gets the most **** right.

-- Edited by Jpoo on Tuesday 5th of March 2013 03:54:30 PM

-- Edited by Jpoo on Tuesday 5th of March 2013 03:54:47 PM

yea and i dont think anyones picking ratard mendenhall in the first round at this point. darren mcfadden can almost be considered a bust when you look at his annual stats (due to injury but the #4 overall picks not helping when hes on the bench), jahvid best the same deal, felix jones sucks, donald brown sucks, mark ingram hasnt done ****,  i know theres more, and these are just first rounders who are still carrying the ball.

Real life....

For fun i looked at the 2008-2011 drafts, i stopped after the 5th round for most unless there were notable outliers.

my findings:

40 players of note. (look below for my P.o.N and where I ranked them)

Of those 40 I considered...

9 to be "Gems" ( though some could easily be debated.)

11 were "Meh" as is in, ok but nothing special

19 were "Busts"

1 was an "Unknown" as I felt they really couldn't be judged yet. (Delone Carter, but lets be real, he'll be a Meh at best)

My Gems:

2008:

Chris Johnson (he is you know it, he might not be worth that contract he signed, but still a Gem for sure)

Matt Forte

Ray Rice

Jamaal Charles

2009:

LeSean McCoy

2010:

C.J. Spiller

2011:

Mikel Leshoure (Gem based upon draft location)

DeMarco Murray (Gem based upon draft location)

Steven Ridley (Gem based upon draft location)

 

My "Mehs"

2008

Tashard Choice

Ryan Torrain

Tim Hightower

2009

Mike Goodson

Andre Brown

2010

Jonathan Dwyer

James Starks

2011

Shane Vereen (arguable Gem)

Alex Green

Roy Helu

Kendall Hunter

Bilal Powell

Jizz Rodgers (arguable gem based on being a 5th round pick)

 

My Busts:

2008

Darren McFadden

Jonathan Stewart

Felix Jones

Rashard Mendenhall 

Steve Slaton

2009

Knowshon Moreno

Donald Brown

Shonn Greene

Glenn Coffee

2010

Ryan Mathews

Jhavid Best

Dexter McCluster

Toby Gerhart

Ben Tate (could easily salvage himself outta here)

Montario Hardesty

Joe McKnight (giving up woodhead for him? dumb dumb dumb)

2011

Mark Ingram

Ryan Williams

Daniel Thomas

 

 

So there's that,

 

a few interesting numbers

 

Of 11 first round RBs picked since 2008 only 1 (CJ Spiller) has earned a grade above Bust, him obviously being a Gem

of 10 second round RBs picked since 2008 4 are considered gems. The remaining 6 are all Busts

of the remaining 19 players from rounds 3-6 we have: 3 Gems, 4 busts, and 12 mehs. 

To be fair I did leave out lets say 6 or 7 mid round guys that I had never heard of.

From this small sample, it shows that first round RBs are not the way to go, and that 2nd round is only moderately better.  Rounds 3-6 seem to produce the most amount of productive runners.

-- Edited by Jpoo on Tuesday 5th of March 2013 07:18:07 PM

i like this. gonna be tough considering the steelers have 23 FA and no cap room but i like a challange.

28 of 32 starting RBs week 17 were picked in the 3rd round or earlier. can you name the 4 that were not?

we talk about waiting for RBs but when you think about it most of the good ones really are taken pretty high

Nope! you're rightm D-Wilson technically got the first carries of the game, was an even split in the end, but not a starter none the less!

Busts:

1)Jonathan Stewart (though this is more a product of DeAngelo Williams than himself, but still bust)
2)Ryan Mathews (can't seem to stay healthy or get it together.... look below for my 5 reasons Mathews is awful...)
3)Reggie Bush (solid player, but not number 2 overall material)
4)Knowshon Moreno (didn't remember how to play football till the end of this year)

I know theres more, but I cant name em off the top of my head....


Why Ryan Mathews sucked this year:

1) Scored one TD... That's fewer than Anthony Dixon and DuJuan Harris. It's one less than Bilal Powell scored... in one quarter against the Rams

2)Scored fewer rushing TD's than 12 QBs.

3)Had no 100 yard rushing games: Robert Turbin/Marcel Reese/Isaac Redman/Peyton Hillis/Brandon Bolden all had at least one.

4)Touched the ball only 5 times on third downs all year. FIVE TIMES ALL YEAR.

5)Of 184 carries ont he year, only ONE of those carries went for more than 20 yards. Dwyer and Redman themselves had three 20+ yard runs.

6)A doctor stated that someone is more likely to be struck by lightning than to break both collar bones, on separate occasions in a 4 month period.

And of course AL Morris

ya 2nd-3rd round is def the way to go for RB.  pats even drafted like 2 or 3 in the 2nd round one year and its worked out great for them.  then get a sitational rb like they got got in woodhead or had in sammie morries. 

1st round is normally too high but at the same time if u wait too long you dont get a quailtiy player.

 

Dude, work is so slow right now it's unbearable. We're in our slow season, Im going away skiing next week again its so bad.

My "Mehs" stemmed from, ok they didn't waste a high pick, and when these guys were pressed into service they actually did alright for themselves. They weren't embarassments.

its late! last year it was march 13th

adrian wilson getting cut is really surprising to me

why is it surprising?  he is 34 years old, gets hurt every year, high salary and new coaching staff.

yup, and get ready for 2mrw.  today is deadline day for everyone to get under the cap so a lot of moves are being made.  speaking of the trade, the 49ers are loaded:

qb: kap

rb: gore, james

te: davis

wr: crabtree, boldin, manningham and the 1st rounder from last year (jenkins i think)

ol: all returning

plus the draft picks they got from the alex smith trade. 

-- Edited by MFisH on Monday 11th of March 2013 08:37:01 PM

word outta philly is eagles want danny amendola. can u say, new wes welker?

i like how the giants r trying to fix their d by going after a bunch of guys the eagles cut/not re-signing after having one of their worst seasons of all time haha

ya i saw part of it. it was good, those r 2 of the best football minds in a long time and know how to build teams. 

i also saw something very surprising, rashard mendenhall is ONLY 25 years old.  the way hes been talked about, plus being "a veteran back," etc, you would think he was in his 30's but the dude is just 25.  someone is gonna get a good player for cheap