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c0cky nick is back after a huge 3 point victory to get to 2-4 for the year. 7-9 is in sights!

regardless, eagles can only play who is on the schedule. facts are facts eagles have the 3rd ranked offense in the league and when vick is in this offense is good and the defense is finally improving. only team to stop vick was the cheifs (on a thursday night) and the cheifs have been shutting everyone down.

if vick played on sunday the game would have been much different.  but like i said before, if eagles go 2-0 these next 2 weeks they are still in it.  dallas plays on the road at detriot which is no gimme and skins play denver this week which will be an L.  i will only admit eagles r in trouble if they lose one of these next 2.



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they have the 3rd ranked offense in the league.

I shouldnt have to say anything more than that but i will.  even with the 3rd ranked offense, 2.5 games were played with a backup qb.  please take a look at the vikings, browns, jags, bucs, etc and see how they are performing with a back up qb.  most teams dont go from 4-12 to super bowl contenders the next season.  what the cheifs are doing is very rare, but that is all defense and getting as big an upgrade from qb and head coach from one year to the next as a team can possibly expect.

hopefully vick comes back next week and they we got the giants and raiders which are both winnable games.  if that happens eagles will be 5-4 and still in the nfc east race.



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Report: Michael Vick will start this week

 

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Eagles coach Chip Kelly offfered no hints about the identity of this week’s starting quarterback beyond announcing that Nick Foles has a concussion that makes him an unlikely choice to return to the lineup against the Giants.



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eagles with kurt cousins > eagles with nick foles

denver held vick to 20 points, a team that the jacksonville jaguars put up 19 on...


and you picked the ravens in the arch rival game... my foot is firmly on the gas right now

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dawkins or ed reed?



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i would rank polamalu's career over both of them even though he is now an old fragile man.  however, you did not answer my question. people think sean taylor because he was a beast in college and had a lot of potential, but i dont think he was as complete of a player dawkins was in his prime.  people forget how well rounded dawkins was at almost everything, where he was not only as huge hitter, he was a great tackler, a great blitzer and great in coverage and the all important great leader. 

now if taylor had more time to keep improving he might have become a better player, but people tend to remember potential over an accomplished career.  this reminds me of what i call the 50 cent theory: remeber after his first 2 cds where he was easily the #1 rapper and both cds were bangers including a classic in "get rich or die trying."  plus 50 had G-Unit and at that time pretty much every mixtape and every one in his crew had a platium cd which was due to 50's popularity.  now imagine if he died directly after his 2nd cd and was never able to come out with anything else. after all that success people only would be able to remember him based off that and his potential for more.  i am pretty sure there would be some people calling him one of the greatest rappers of all time because ppl like to over value potential.  now obviously that wasnt the case and 50 has since come out with garbage and is not even on the rap radar anymore, but that is my point with short term success and potential over a long career. 



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that was a good analogy but that wasnt the question. you said dawkins or ed reed. im assuming you are in the middle of a heated office debate about whether dawkins or sean taylor were better.

let me tell you now thats a debate you will never win/end. my redskins friends will never ever admit there was a better safety in nfl history than sean taylor. i tend to agree with you that he was more of an awesome gamebreaking hard hitting type of player than a consitent/good/sound one. his awesome was pretty awesome. ppl forget that his best hit was against a punter in the pro bowl thou haha

its hard to compare the two. if you want to compare sean taylor best season to dawkins im not sure but onviously dawkins had the better career. dawkins was prolly the better player but taylor was def fun to watch.

as for ed reed, hes a scrub.



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and did you see this when the ravens lined up for the tying extra point last suday haha

 

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moving on up in the department of homland security. im trying to get on a project that uses social media analytics to determine and pin point disease, terrorist threats and bio survaillance.

basically if theres a group of terrorists in a small town of iraq and they are dumb enough post about it on social media, well know about it. thats an extreme case but it actually relates more to the boston bomber who was tweeting about their plans. we could have stopped them before they started.

the other and probably more useful tool is about outbreaks like salmonilla in texas and the swine flu and stuff like that. if they can figure out whos started feeling the affects and where and when, its easier to contain it, stop it and prevent it.

interview went well so well see



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i saw that too haha what a terrible name. if anything they gotta do warriors

again, my stubborn redskin fan friends are convinced it wont chance, but when something offensive sparks just the smallest debate it will gain traction. to me its almost a certainty it will change eventually but dont tell them that.

like it says, where theres smoke theres fire

they could keep the name and change the logo to a (redskin) potato



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dammit you're right, i did obviously mean sean taylor not sure why i put ed reed in there (guess it shows you how out of it ive been this week).

and oh ya trust me i know the how skins fans are with their ownership of sean taylor and i knew my skins friends in the office would pick sean taylor over dawkins and even maybe god himself.

it wasnt really much of an argument because obviously dawkins had the better career and obviously every single skins fan is going to say taylor was the greatest of all time, i really just wanted to throw my 50 cent theory on the forum because it can apply to a lot of things.

better question:  i'm not much of a rap historian but do you think that theory can possbily apply to 2pac vs biggie?



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biggie had a song titled "youre nobody til somebody kills you"


i think it applies more to biggie than pac because a) biggie only put out one album before he died b) 2pac was not only a rapper but a huuuuge influence to so many more things while big was a rapper and nothing else c) the whole east-coast west coast fued was more about biggie dying out of revenege than 2pac dying for it in the first place (if that makes sense).

personally i think 2pac was the greatest rapper ever but notorious BIG would struggle to make my top-5.

ive had this argument before and could for hours but i gotta get ready for a job interview

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well the 50 cent theory is really due to the biggie vs 2pac argument.  when i found out that biggie only had like 1 album before he died and people called him the greatest of all time it got my thinking about 50 cent's career and what people would have said about him if he died after his 2 huge albums and not 10 years later after new people came and his music changed.  like i said before people really over value potential and in regards to sports its one of the reasons teams hate giving up high draft picks when the success rate is probably less than 50% even on 1st rounders.

regardless, job interview?  what you doing now?



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LIKE OMG WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH FOOTBALLL!?!?!




But for reals, that sounds pretty sweet, good luck!

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www.tmz.com/2013/10/25/washington-redskins-name-change-bravehearts-dan-snyder-aris-mardirossian/


Bravehearts?

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my skins fan are the exact same way, think there is no chance in hell the name is ever going to change and think its dumb to even consider.

my bet is it gets changed within 5 years



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Fun game:

If you could pick any 5 players in the league to start a franchise, who are you going with?

 



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me personally, i am going:

1. QB: Aaron Rodgers

2. DT: JJ Watt

3. WR: Aj Green

4. OLB: Von Miller

5. WR: Calvin Johnson

 

my theory:  obviously you need a qb and even though luck is younger i would still go arod cuz you can get at least another 5-8 solid years out of him. in todays NFL, you need to throw the ball and with rodgers, what better 2 WR's can you pick then AJ green and megatron?  i was thinking AJ and julio, but i couldnt pass up on calvin and he still has at another 4-5 good years in him.

now onto D, if you look at the best defenses they all focus on pressuring the qb and controlling the line of scrimmage.  JJ watt is clearly the best defensive player of the year so he was an easy pick, and i went with von over patrick peterson because even if you have a great shutdown corner it doesnt equal team success (cards, bucs with revis etc).  my team is loaded



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luck
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dont need 2 WR and urs aint doin **** against my corners!

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this makes me miss our madden fantasy drafts :(

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well this is for NFL not madden but haha same, i dont even play madden anymore for the 1st year in a loooonnnggg time.

our drafts were mainly based on who we were good using.  i remember kearns would skip someone like AP and draft players like reggie bush, devin hester and that dude on the packers blackmon about 10 rounds too high because he would score most of his td's on kickoff returns haha.  also i loved how you would always bitch that i would draft an OLB who was an 80 something and put him a DE and become a 95. 



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that was cheating.

my favorite was JPP in 2011 haha he had like a 90 speed and was unstoppable

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The D now has 10 straight shut out quarters, I don't care who you play, thats a feat.

They've been a top Rush defense all year and no one wants to acknowledge it.

If Eli doesn't turn over the ball, we'll win.

Don't be scared fish, Giants push is coming.

You know it's gonna happen, Giants starting 0-6 getting hot making the playoffs? Thats standard Giants absurdity right there.

Rolle/Will Hill/Prince a VERY solid 3/4 secondary. Trumaine McBride has been flashing as well.

Jon Beason is A BEAST dudes back to pro-bowl form, wait the Giants have a LBer? UH OH

JPP is still hurting no doubt about it.

DT's have been INCREDIBLE

Tuck has been having a quiet good season (top 5 run stuffing DE by PFF) not to mention he's been getting to the QB lately

Nicks needs to step his game up big time.

HILLIS THE GREAT WHITE TRUTH.

We comin fish.



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im pretty sure 2 weeks ago you wanted everyone fired and to blow it up for nicks boy clowney haha.

as long as the skins dont somehow make a comeback and win it all ill be good.  i still have about 10% faith in the eagles to make a comeback as long as they get some stability at qb, but its looking like cowboys will win this division at like 9-7



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calvin johnson laughs at dez bryants 72 yard performance

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back to basketball season avatar, im done with mike vick.

you would think he would be the perfect qb for this offense but the guy cannot stay healthy and is going to costs us another season.  its pretty clear he is the reason andy was sent packing cuz the guy can obviously still coach with his team going from 2-14 to 8-0.  you need a qb to win in the NFL, and not someone who plays for 4 weeks, misses 3 weeks, plays a quarter, out for another 3 weeks.  time to draft someone like mariotta or manziel and hope he can turn this team around.  its sad because the team is FINALLY actually playing some D but now cant score.  i would go into more detail but i dont want to punch another hole in my computer and its vegas week.

 



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chances are good its gonna be tough to get one of those 2 guys unless barkLoLey keeps starting. you know theyre going high

stillers are gonna have to use yet another high draft pick on the oline. not only do their tackles suck, but they are more fragile than mike vick

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well its way too early to tell how high these guys are going to go (or who will even be avaiable), but most likely the one we want will be in the top 10.   Luckily for us, as of now they are in that range.

barkley is not the answer unless chip starts calling completly different plays.  he ran read options yet there was no option and shady got killed.  u cant let a free rusher at him and then hand him the ball anyway, its obviously never going to work and need to do different things. 

yesterday was the 1st time as eagles coach where i disagreed with a majority of chips decisions.  we can start with throwing the ball on 1st and goal at the 2 which somehow resulted in a fumble at the 10 yard line, the game might as well been over there. there was also a 4th and 9 in FG range that he went for it and barkley mishandled the snap and then overthrew cooper by 10 yards.  the onside kick with 4 minutes left was another one i didnt get.

 i never thought i would say this but i really hope foles comes back this week so we have a chance at the raiders!  somehow this team is only 1 game back and the D is playing the best it has had in 3 years, now its time to find a qb who can run this offense.

 



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maybe chips biggest trick is that hes a defensive coach?!

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or maybe its cause the oline coach isnt calling the defensive plays anymore?

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Giants late season push, the D looks GREAT, offense long clock killing drives, need to execute in the red zone, otherwise looking good. LETS GO!

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or maybe its cause the oline coach isnt calling the defensive plays anymore?


 definitly a huge factor.  but they also replaced at least 7 of the 11 starters from last year and went from a 4-3 to a 3-4.

only starters still around from last years d is trent cole, cox, nate allen, and mychael kendricks and 2 of them were rookies last year.

now its time to focus on the o, who woulda thought... 



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James Casey dumbest signing ever.

Connor Barwin got wayyyy too much $$ as well.

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Woof Brandon Merriweather going for the jugular.... In regards to Brandon Marshall saying Merriweather should have been suspended for an extended period...


“Listen, everybody’s got their opinion of things, you know,” Meriweather said, via Michael Phillips of the Richmond Times-Dispatch. “Everybody’s got their opinion. He feels like, you know, I need to be kicked out of the league. I feel like, people who beat their girlfriends should be kicked out of the league too. . . .

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hahaaahahahaha #burn

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Jpoo wrote:

Giants late season push, the D looks GREAT, offense long clock killing drives, need to execute in the red zone, otherwise looking good. LETS GO!


 how much of this do you actually believe?



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hahaaahahahaha #burn

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they beat a 1-5 vikings team whos starting qb was on the team for 15 days and he so bad he was already cut.  they didnt look goodin their victory.

then they beat a 3-4 eagles team whos starting qb was a 4th round draft pick and currently 3rd string. they didnt score 1 td.

At best they need to go 8-8 to win the division and hope everyone else collapse which is possible but then that means they now need to go 6-2.  they got the raiders at home so they should (key word) win that one.  but then here are the rest meaning they have to go at worst 5-2:

packers (sunday night game) 

@ dallas

@ SD

Seattle

@  Lions 

2 vs skins

 

umm ya i dont see them going 5-2 without slipping up in that stretch.



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We'll see, I got hope in my team. It's all coming together in my eyes.

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I sure as hell did.

But since then they've got a fire lit under their asses.

Gilbride has realized that every plat doesn't have to be a 30+ yard shot down field.

The defense is finally playing the correct personel.

Eli isn't turning the ball over 4x a game.

I see improvement.





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Report: Authorities are looking at Mike Pouncey as more than a witness

 

I dont see how mike can be involved and not maurkice... super!



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yup i was thinking the same thing, just wait until pitt has to go to NE

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yup thats next week.  but hes on the IR right?  means they cant serve him unless he makes the trip



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well i hope he stays home then

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just ordered my Free Pouncey hat

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forum is back on 2mrw after a long vegas weekend and catching up at work all day today.  but i will start with this:

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Richie Incognito and Jonathan Martin have been teammates on the Miami Dolphins offensive line since Martin was drafted in the second round of the 2012 NFL Draft. (Wilfredo Lee/AP)

 

 



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it would be awesome to be a football player but my god i would hate the media aspect of it. from jumping to conclusions without hearing the full story over the weekend to attacking martin (and honestly even incognito) about something that they know nothing about. twitter is great, but theres no fact checking and so much of what we get is either untrue or exaggerated.

this isnt even from twitter, its from florio, but he starts to suggest martin is doing this only so he can get paid to sit at home (or in his case the hospital being treated for depression)


"The availability of a lawsuit also will strengthen suspicions (correct or incorrect) that Martin contrived a situation where he’d be paid to play football without playing football by secretly harvesting evidence of discrimination and then waiting for the right moment to launch the attack. Others will suspect (correctly or incorrectly) that Martin didn’t want to do anything about the situation other than get out of it, and that people close to him (such as parents who are both lawyers) overreacted upon hearing the voice message, insisting that Martin take action."


really? but the players are no better

“Hartline saying the media is bullying the #Dolphins now…”


and management? along with coaches MAYBE telling incognito to toughen martin up your GM is literally telling two players to fight each other

"Ireland, according to the sources, suggested to Smith that Martin physically confront Incognito. Ireland specifically mentioned that Martin should “punch” Incognito."


im not saying that martin is innocent in all this. maybe he found the "bullying" funny and played along or did what he was told. but its not inconceivable that a kid that went to private school and stanford, has paretns for lawyers and was thrown into a lockerroom in on of the craziest places in america, with teammates like richie incognito, may be a little bit sensitive. the media is now attacking his character and making claims that he is suckering the dolphins into workers comp which to me is insane.

the dolphins have handled this so poorly i dont get how philbin keeps his job. and when martin breaks his silence, if he even suggests that he at one point tried to go to the coaching staff but was shut out, things are only going to get worse.

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Very well written.

The Dolphins desperately need to clean house, this is turning into a ****-storm of epic proportions. The crazy thing is, it's gonna get a whole lot worse as more stuff comes out.

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im sure the steelers could find a spot for martin. at left tackle. starting.

just gotta be nice to him.

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 just gotta be nice to him.


 HAHAH.

ya i agree, the media blows things way out of portion without knowing all the facts and then the twitter world gets involved and all hell breaks loose.  i compare this to the bounty scandle last year, things that are very common in the NFL to that community such as players getting paid additional $ for big hits then gets turned into a bounty hit list system by the media and now this where rookie hazing turns into bullying.  i agree both situations probably went a little too far (saints with trying to injure qbs and then igconigto with martin) but in general im sure both of these things happen in all locker rooms to some degree.  but when things do go a little too far and the media and fans find out, people cant relate and everyone goes crazy.  i feel like you cant compare and NFL locker room to a normal workplace, they are not the same thing. regardless, i feel like its a very telling sign that everyone in the dolphins locker room is on incognito's side in this.

remember when we were talking about breaking bad and how the reviewers read way too deeply into the plots and signs that i said the reviewer is now smarter than the creator? well that is now happening with the media (esp florio) and this situation.  there is no chance in hell martin created this mastermind plan where he could get paid for not playing.  nobody would create this much of a controversy and risk their career to get paid to not play when they can just fake an injury and accomplish the same thing.  just another example of things the media blows way out of porportion and i wish ppl would just wait a few days without having to post their thoughts or pick a side and write a story about it. 



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