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That about covers it.

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I mean seriously, what good can this do?

the goal is to win games, right?  if that is not the goal and the only true goal is to "protect" RG3 from injury, just forfeit the game if they don't care about winning.  obviously that would never happen so they want to win games, which means:

worst case scenario: skins lose out and end the season 3-13.  cousins plays awful behind a bad oline and even worse defense.  now his trade value plummets and RG3 is just pissed since he is the only "franchise" qb who I can remember being benched in year 2 and by all accounts he is a sensitive diva and will have to answer questions about this all offseason. have fun with that.

best case scenario:  skins go 2-1 or 3-0 (at Atlanta, dallas at home, and at giants not exactly the toughest 3 teams in the world) and cousins plays well.  so now what?  the only thing that this can lead to is an offseason QB controversy!  even if this does happen and the new coach says RG3 is the guaranteed starter, what happens if he gets off to another bad/slow start next season?  the fans/media are going to put pressure on the new coach to start cousins.  not good, and actually starting to sound like a worst case scenario.

 



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Shanny wants to get fired so he can keep the remaining $$ on his contract. If he walks, he gets nothing. He's basically saying, your move Snyder.

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or he plays well and they can flip cousins and get their first round pick back... i thought it was pretty obvious



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ill tell you what, he's not a great coach anymore and I wasn't afraid of the skins when he was hired a few years ago, but he is great at playing this media game.  not sure if you guys know this, but he is very close with adam schefter dating back to the days when he was the broncos head coach and adam was a writer/reporter for one of the Denver papers before he went big time (side note: I remember one time al davis at a HOF induction was being interviewed by schefter and he made some snarky remark and wouldn't never get interviewed by him basically saying that he didn't trust him due to the broncos/raiders and shanahan/davis rivalries which I thought was hilarious).  Anyway, shanahan is really connected with ESPN so any story that espn breaks in regards to him or the skins there is a good chance it came from those 2.  with that said, with him leaking these stories about rg3/synder and how he almost quit last year is pretty brilliant if the goal is to get fired/paid.  



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6ixty wrote:

or he plays well and they can flip cousins and get their first round pick back... i thought it was pretty obvious


nobody is giving up a 1st round pick for someone after 3 games, esp after the kevin kolb, matt Flynn disasters.  plus, if he does play well and after seeing rg3 struggle all year plus has an injury history why would you give him up?



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hes already been on other teams radar after a good start in each game hes played. i think hes the most coveted backup in the league with his age and performance so far.

if a team would give up 3 first rounders plus some for a player why wouldnt they give up a first for the guy that outplays him?

flynn was a seventh rounder who had literally one good game thats not a good comparason.

you would give him up for all the reasons you stated a few posts ago. otherwise this is a lose-lose for the skins.

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also, not a ton of QB depth with marriota going back. cousins is the second most nfl ready qb of anyone in the draft maybe even moreso than bridgewater

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not saying its a definate but its definatly best case scenario

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ya I guess your right, absolute best case scenario is he tears it up and they get a high draft pick for him.  still think that it is risky to trade him after seeing RG3 get hurt multiple times and also struggle all season.  I think after seeing the eagles and the bears this season vs teams like the packers, teams are starting to realize you need 2 good qb's esp when one of them has an injury history like rg3.  regardless, I don't really care in fact I am actually loving this, and if they beat dallas in 2 weeks I will love this even more!

also, I keep seeing PK saying this draft class is so deep with QB's.  I even remember him saying there might be 10-15 future first round picks in college right now.  I know some of them are not coming out including 2 of the best in Winston and marriotto, but with that said I don't see how he thinks this class is so deep with franchise qbs.  is he considering manziel a franchise qb?  guess well see what happens where guys like tannehill are nobodys in December and then top 10 picks in april.



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me neither. there are def a lot of very good QBs in college right now but a lot of them will still be in college next year. bridgewater is far and away the best, but the current #2 ranked is some guy from central florida. manziel is a long shot to be a franchise qb especially with whats going on with rg3. manzel is rg3 not russel wilson or kaepernick or cam newton.

beyond that your talking the lsu qb who just tore his acl, tajh boyd fell off a cliff, aj mcarron and carr from fresno. i see at MOST 3 first round qbs and manziel is a project, but of course that will change a lot before may.

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I'm putting it out there.

AJ McCarron will be the best QB in this draft.

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the 2 qb's im most interested to see where they get drafted is maziel and aj maccaron.  I could see both guys going in the 1st round and being over hyped like ponder, locker, gabbertt etc or both falling to say the 3rd-4th round like matt barkley did.

i think both will go in the 1st round and i really like manziel if he goes to a decent team who will play to his strengths and not force him to be a pocket passer.  if foles didn't come out of nowhere and play out his mind i would have wanted the eagles to draft him and see how he did in the read option with chips offense, i think he would have been a star.

maccaron i think will go in the middle to the end of the 1st round to a team who wants to develop a young qb but has a decent record and wont draft in the top 10 (say cardinals).



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Jpoo wrote:

I'm putting it out there.

AJ McCarron will be the best QB in this draft.


 ha, i was actually typing my post before i saw this and i might agree.  still want to see everyone in the predraft stage before making some predictions, i always love predicting qb's before hand and see how they end up doing.  if you remember, i wasn't never high on RG3 (didn't think he would be a bust but thought he was overrated and not on lucks or newtons level) and he made me look bad last year but that prediction may end up being right!



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are there any other alabama starting qbs in the league?

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looked it up. the only alabama drafted QBs since 1987:

jay barker
brodie croyle
greg mcelroy

odds are against him

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McElroy never got a fair chance! BRODIE!!!!

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what college a guy went to doesn't mean anything.  peyton went to tennesse does that mean future tennesse qb's have a better chance to succeed?

better topic.  nick, care to comment about this:

Report: Tomlin, Jim Harbaugh possible candidates at Texas

When it comes to his negotiations with the University of Texas, Alabama coach Nick Saban has plenty of leverage.  Texas now may have some, too.

According to Chip Brown of Orangebloods.com (via CBS Sports), Steelers coach Mike Tomlin and 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh are potential candidates for the Longhorns vacancy.



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yeah id put those chances around .5% no one even reported this it was just people throwing out names.

i gotta disagree about the college not mattering thou. i would say moreso than the college the QB went to the coach and his offense is whats important. there are coaches that run a pro style offense which is a very real thing in college. then there are running offenses like alabama which has produced 3 first round RBs in the past 5 years. auburn is going to the national championship game but no one is talking about their QB because they run a college offense with the read-option.

big ben, flacco, rodgers all ran pocket passing offenses. more recently tannehill and dalton ran pro style offenses too and id say they were pretty pro ready. thats why a lot of these guys shoot up draft boards. they may not put up gaudy numbers in a fast paced offense like oregon but they are accurate pocket passers which is why pro coaches love them. thats the case with blake bortles the UCF QB that mcshay has #2 over a guy like manziel.

manning was a unanomous #1 overall pick. he was more talented than any other tennesee QB of that era. BTW there have been 7 tennesee QBs that have been drafted since 87, 4 more than alabama...



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@SI_PeterKing: RT @Jgreen6293: If kirk does well does he fetch a pick from 32-50? ... Certainly. Or better.

@SI_PeterKing:This decision is best for RG3--and for Cousins, and for '14 Wash draft. Currently, Cle (23), Az (24), KC (29) could seek QB like Cousins.

 

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excellent sunday for me yesterday.  how the eagles look like they did last night and also lose to teams like the vikings with no RB's makes me crazy sometimes.  i cant believe the skins let cowboys come back like that.  4th and goal at the 11 with the season on the line??  i told my brother when cowboys were down 9 id rather see the cowboys up cuz they seem to blow big leads.  anyway, if u told me before the season it would come down to week 17 for the 3 seed i would have taken that in a heart beat.  cant wait til next sunday night!

anyway, thanks for the steelers win, they seem to be the only team i win money on consistently.  also, i want to rub one more thing in nicks face for the final time:

2. Chip Kelly: The Broncos have the best offense in football; they average 38.2 points per game, which is comfortably ahead of the pack. In second are the Chicago Bears, who have averaged an even 29 points per game, even after their blowout loss last night. If you don't include the two games when Matt Barkley suited up and played meaningful snaps, well, the Eagles are right there. The Eagles scored 10 points in those two games; otherwise, they've averaged 31.4 points per game, which would make them the second-best offense in football. The Broncos have Peyton Manning. The Eagles have Nick Foles.

There's not anything new to say about what Kelly's doing; it's the same stuff that Chris Brown suggested before the season, mostly. There's no gimmick to it. It's just hyperefficient, and when you're playing the league's second-worst run defense, it becomes a deadly weapon. LeSean McCoy could have set the single-game rushing record if Kelly had made that a priority. Foles might have been able to do it, too.

It will be tougher in the playoffs. A lot tougher. But next week? McCoy versus the Cowboys run defense? The league's third-worst run defense? He might go for 200. Then again, that might not be enough if the new sheriff in town is showing off …



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DeSean Jackson said Monday he wants the Eagles to renegotiate his contract and give him a raise.
In March of 2012, Jackson signed a five-year, $48.2 million contract that included $15 million guaranteed. He's owed $10.25 million in 2014 base salary and a total of $30.5 million in salary plus workout bonuses over the next three years

Bahahahahahah this again?!?

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umm imagine if companies started paying qb's to use their company name during audibles and pre-snap calls hahaha

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/10298373/2013-nfl-playoffs-omaha-steaks-mulls-offering-peyton-manning-denver-broncos-endorsement-deal-call-company-name-line-scrimmage



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"fireball" "fireball"

or

"iphone 5" "iphone 5"


could work

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peyton explains omaha:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000313849/article/peyton-manning-explains-omaha-meaning-kind-of



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wow thats faith... blind faith

dailysnark.com/seahwks-fan-gets-super-bowl-xlviii-champs-tattoo/

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i know nick will love this

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after this move below i think its safe to say steelers will be no better than #3 in the afc north heading into the 2014 season.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10360387/gary-kubiak-former-houston-texans-coach-hired-baltimore-ravens-offensive-coordinator

and after browns draft johnny manziel with the 4th pick steelers only have a year or 2 of breathing room before he develops with that defense and josh gordon and overtakes the north for the next 10 years.  bad times ahead of your stillers nick SMH



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i dunno how to feel about that hire. on one hand the ravens former OC was promoted to head coach and kubiak was demoted from HC to OC so they are on opposite trajectories. on the other hand the texans have had some good offenses.

i think the texans had much more talent thou. the offensive line of the texans was top 3, arian foster and ben tate > ray rice and pierce and andre and deandre > smith and jones. schaubs best years and flaccos regular season have been about a wash. lets see what kubiak can do with less.


now, for the steelers, i will say munchuck is the best possible hire (and FA aquisition) they could have ever hoped for. steelers line turned it around last year and after going 6-2 in the last 8, their offense was beastly. draft 7 defense studs and were right back to the top.

btw manziel will do more harm that good to the browns. i am honestly hoping they draft him at 4.

steelers finished second in the division last year and were on a major upswing. ravens, not so much. bengals lost all their coaches. i really really like the steelers going into next season. much more than last.



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so if you think kubiack going from HC to OC is a negative trajectory than what is munchuck going from HC to OLINE coach??

im just messing around, wayyy too early to start talking about predictions for next year since ummm no players have switched teams yet which wont be the case after FA and the draft. 

with that said, i am serious about the browns being good next year.  they remind me of the 2012 cheifs where they had a lot of talented players but were god awful at qb and coach and that was the case this year for the browns (maybe not so much at coach but def at qb).  as the pro bowl drafted showed the browns have a lot of talent other teams want, they just need a qb.

i also think their front office is taking way too much sh*t, lets give them more than 2 years to rebuild a team that started with brandon weeden as their franchise qb and trent richardson being the franchise rb.  that was 2 wasted 1st round picks from just 2 years ago, it takes time to rebuild and i know banner is a smart guy who really helped turn the eagles around.  if manziel is as good as i think and the browns get him this is gonna be a fun team to watch 



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theyre getting all that **** because they hired chudzinski and fired him less than a year later. then they make a hire they obviously werent crazy about after 4 or 5 guys turned them down. they didnt give chud 2 years to turn it around and i dont see how the new guys much of an upgrade.

i do think they have talent. i wouldnt use the pro bowl as much of an indication because a few of those guys were 3rd and 4th alternates. tj ward was an alternate and is a free agent so well see if he even comes back. jordan cameron (another alternate) and alex mack ehh not huge talents there. joe haden and josh gordon are certainly beasts.

the cheifs on the other hand had studs at positions that actually matter. jamaal charles compared to the browns RB, who they dont even have. justin houston, tamba hali and eric berry are more impact players than mack, jordan cameron. plus they had the #1 overall pick, traded for a servicable QB and pettine is no andy reid.

you know how i feel about manziel. him vs. steelers twice a year. ha! bring it on.

it doesnt appear like a bad situation to come into but they didnt get any better in the coaching of FO positions and when coordinators are turning down opprotunities to become a HC you know something up.

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Alex Mack is going to be a hot commodity on the open market and is easily the top center available in free agency -- he graded out as Pro Football Focus' No. 1 center in 2013


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he plays center. the most invisible position on the entire football field. steelers went thru 4 of them last year and were best when an in-week FA pickup cody wallace was starting.

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guess steelers wasted a 1st rounder with pouncey then if centers are so invaluable or to use your word "invisible."

you're crazy, center is one of the more important players on the oline.  they are the ones who call out all the blitz protections and have the best relationship with the qb.  maybe a big reason steelers started out 0-6 was cuz they didnt have pouncey for those games?  i know eagles struggled badly last year after kelce went out in week 2, and this year with him they had one of the best o-lines in football.



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Giants had offensive line issues a whole, but losing Baas was a big blow. You're absolutely out of your mind if you think C is "invisible" or "unimportant" and lets be real LG is the most invisible position.

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guard is easily the least important player on the field which is why drafting 27 year old danny watkins was such a smart pick!



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well i guess the browns are taking the ship this year since they have pro football focus #1 center. oh wait hes been there 4 years and they havent had more than 5 wins...

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Sapp has been complaining for years about Strahan’s sack record of 22.5, which Strahan set in the last game of the 2001 season when Brett Favre appeared to slide down in front of him intentionally to hand him the record. Sapp said while they were both still playing that there should be an asterisk next to his record because it wasn’t a real record; Strahan responded that there should be a McDonald’s next to Sapp’s house because Sapp is fat.

 

haha that made me spit out my coffee. strahan should absolutley be a first ballot and favre did what any QB would do if strahan was bearing down on him.

bettis, im not so confident in. he is sixth all time in career yards. SIXTH! the fact that he did it with sooo many carries could hurt or help him. yeah he only averaged 4 ypc but who else could rush 35 times a game for 10 years? that was his style and it worked out damn well for him.



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not a fan of strahan since he was a giant who killed the eagles every year but i like him more than sapp and at least strahan is good on tv and that was funny.

couple notes:

1. strahan was on the ballet last year and didnt make it so he wont be a first ballet HOF but i would have argued as well he is more than deserving last year.  i think the HOF voters didnt want to put sapp and him in the same year they like to split up the positions

2. i think bettis deserves it as well, just not sure when he will get in.  obviously i am no voter but they way i would do it isnt nessercarlly on total yards and history rankings but if i thought that player was dominate at his postion for a long period of time when he played and i always remember bettis being one of the best few backs in football esp with the rams and his first few years with the steelers



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Strahan was robbed, no way Sapp should be a 1BHOF'er ( I may possibly be biased)



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BIG coaching upgrade!

If this guy can make his previous teams RB's look good, imagine what he can do with his new team:

 

The Steelers have hired former Vikings running backs coach James Saxon to the same position, the club said on Tuesday afternoon.

Saxon, 47, coached the Vikings’ running backs the last three seasons.



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Wait, aside from Le'Veon last year the steelers RBs have looked good?

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hell yeah leveon bout to be the new AP!!!

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i saw this last night and thought it was great



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gregg williams about to get hired again as DC for the rams.  jeff fisher must love this dude, its the 2nd time hes hired him in 3 years



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how has "lynch talks to media" become a 3 day story?

also, josh, how crazy is NY this week.  have you been going to the city at all or u staying in LI? im sure this weekend is going to be crazy packed and even more outpriced than NYC normally is



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i read online that the weather last week was scaring ppl away from the game and ticket prices were plummeting from like 10 grand to like 4 for lower level. if the steelers were playing in the SB i would be on the first amtrek to NTC first thing tomorrow!

 

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I've been on LI mostly, nothing happening out here. A few friends went into the city they have some stuff set up but its not a mad house or anything. The teams are training in Jersey so there really isn't much going on here. I am however leaving to go skiing on Saturday, the airport should be mighty interesting.

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