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Jpoo · Guru

RE: 2015 NFL Draft

6ixty · Young Money

unless shaq Thompson is moved to safety I don't see it. steelers have 2 first round picks in Timmons and shazier, a second round pick in spence and a year long starter in vince williiams at MLB. its their deepest position by far. he seems identical to shazier.

at safety, maybe. hes def an in the box safety similar to Collins. but hes also similar to shamarko Thomas who the steelers traded a 3rd round pick to move up for. I think its his job to lose this season and they will give him that chance.

theres also the fact that hes moved around so much he may need some time to develop in the pros. the steelers need a day 1 starter to help their reeling defense.

to me its the best available OLB or CB. if they don't like anyone left I could see them going landon Collins or maxx Williams. after that its BPA with an emphasis on OLine, DLine and hybrids like shaq Thompson.

you have trey waynes dropping all the way to 31? Cant see him getting out of the top 15.

right now I think a realistic wish list is as follows:

trade up for trey waynes (doubtful)
jalen collins
kevin Johnson
vic beasely
bud Dupree
landon Collins
maxx Williams/sheriff/OT from Pitt/Thompson/etc

good stuff thou. love reading these.

Jpoo · Guru

Yeah I envisioned Shaq as a Safety... Didn't know of Shamarko though, to be honest I forgot about CB's in the begininng and when I realized I didn't see any team desperate for one.

MFisH · Negus

ya its really good. I'm hoping eagles can trade up for mariota obviously, but landing Collins at safety would be nice.

who was danny talking about when he kept bringing up a white WR?

6ixty · Young Money

kevin White, WR from WVU

MFisH · Negus

oh, they way he worded it I thought he was talking about a white dude, not kevin white.

MFisH · Negus

new hot rumor is skins want mariota now.

never liked that guy

Jpoo · Guru

Smokescreen if you ask me.... No one even considered them for a QB so now they're trying to scare people into trading up

Jpoo · Guru

Post FA - Mock 2.0

1)TB Buccaneers - Jaemis Winston, QB, FSU (If he can get over his off field nonsense, dude's gonna be really good.)

2)TEN Titans - Marcus Mariota, QB, ORE (Idk if the Titans will take him, but he's gonna get drafted #2 overral.)

3)JAX Jaguars - Dante Fowler, DE, FL ( A young burgeoning defense gets better, no true need on Offense with how much they put into it last year, they keep building)

4)OAK Raiders - Kevin White, WR, WV (They struck out big time on Cobb, they need to get Carr weapons, easy pick)

5)WAS Redskins - Leonard Williams, DT, USC (This prize falls right into their laps)

6)NY Jets - Shane Ray, DE/OLB, MIZZ (They got the corner situation sorted, as well as the WR situation, Mariota is gone so they go to the next area of need, an impact pass rusher, this D is gonna be NASTY)

7)CHI Bears - Amari Cooper, WR, Alabama (They added a lot of pieces to their D this FA period, so they help Smokin' Jay out... and besides Alshon can you name a WR on their roster?

8)ATL Falcons - Vic Beasley, DE/OLB, Clemson ( Another easy one, Falcons can't rush the passer for ****)

9)NY Giants - Brandon Scherf, OT/G, IOWA ( No Amari here to make Reese salivate, so he goes intelligent, Scherff can slide into RT or RG from day one and strengthen this line considerably)

10)StL Rams - Andrus Peat, OT, STANFORD (They lost both Jake Long and their RT Barksdale, they need another body on the line, and bookend tackles (Last years Greg Robinson) are a great thing)

11)MIN Vikings - Trae Waynes, CB, MICH ST. (They need someone to play opposite Rhodes, a true gift falls into their laps)

12)CLE Browns - DeVante Parker, WR, LOUISVILLE (Obvious)

13)NO Saints - Alvin Dupree, OLB/DE, KENTUCKY (Their defense was just atrocious last year. Whats the best way to mask a poor D? Get to the passer, Dupree is perfect for that)

14)MIA Dolphins - Dorial Beckham-Greene, WR, ??? (If this dude wasn't such an idiot, he'd be top 5, the Dolphins are dumb and will take a chance here)

15)SF 49ers - Danny Shelton, DT, WASHINGTON (After this offseason they need any possible bodies they can get on that D-Line)

16)HOU Texans - Breshard Perriman, WR, CENTRAL FLORIDA (Can you name any WR's on their roster besides Hopkins? Me either.)

17)SD Chargers - Todd Gurley, RB, GEORGIA (ACL tear or not, this man is a monster, Mathews is a FA, and Darren Oliver isn't a foundation back, one of the few RB's worth picking in round 1)

18)KC Chiefs - La'El Collins, OT, LSU (Obvi)

19)CLE Browns - Malcom Brown, DT, TEXAS (Their Run D was awful last year thanks in large part to ineffective tackles Ahytha Rubin and Phil Taylor, this guy should help give a nasty streak to that run D)

20)PHI Eagles - Landon Collins, S, BAMA (Nate Allen sucks donkey dick and is finally gone)

21)CIN Bengals - Arik Armstead, DE/DT, OREGON (Their D wasn't its usual stand out self last year, gotta get some fresh blood)

22)PIT Steelers - Jalen Collins, CB, LSU (No duh)

23)DET Lions - Eddie Goldman, DT, FSU (They're possibly going to lose both Suh and Fairley... they need DT's)

24)ARZ Cardinals - Melvin Gordon, RB, WISCONSON (I know 2 RB's in the first? Am I crazy? Nah, he's that good, and they need a body to pair up with brittle Ellington, good pick)

25)CAR Panthers - Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M (This O-line needs all the help it can get, they have Oher penciled in as their LT!!!!!!!)

26)BAL Ravens - Jalen Strong, WR, ARZ St. (They lost Torrey and the rest of their WRs are no names, they get a nice playmaker here)

27)DAL Cowboys - Randy Gregory, DE, NEBRASKA (The slide stops, it was recently reported that he tested positive for pot at the combine, not to mention him showing up severly underweigh.... we know the Cowboys don't mind possible headcases)

28)DEN Broncos - Eric Kendricks, ILB, UCLA (They're switching to a 3-4 under new DC Wade Phillips, they need another backer in the middle)

29)IND Colts - Cameron Erving, OT/G/C, FLORIDA ST. (Keep Luck on his feet = Winning..)

30)GB Packers - Jordan Phillips, NT, OKLAHOMA (Raji is still an FA and Letroy whatever got busted with excessive amounts of Pot, they need a big man to anchor the middle)

31)NO Saints - Maxx Williams, TE, MINNESOTA (Jimmy Graham replacement)

32)NE Patirots - Marcus Peters, CB, WASHINGTON (Need I say anything? Browner and Revis both gone!)

MFisH · Negus

nice I like it. I actually think eagles go WR now tho but we'll see, I def wouldn't mind Collins, eagles haven't drafted a safety in round 1 in decades!

Jpoo · Guru

I originally was going to put a WR for them (Jalen Strong to be exact), but I feel like Chip's gonna be like idc i'll shove anyone there where he can't really do that with the safety position

6ixty · Young Money

LOVE it!

MFisH · Negus

now this is a mock draft I can sign up for!

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/04/01/nfl-mock-draft-peter-king/2/

I could 100% see eagles going after jalen strong, chip loves big WR and this dude has the size and is likely to fall in the 20-32 range.

I also like sammie coats on aurburn, I could see philly going after him in round 2 and drafting a corner/safety round 1.

6ixty · Young Money

yeah i saw that yesterday and really liked that pick to the eagles.

at this point im all in on kevin johnson or bud dupree, both of who are shooting up draft boards.

WR is pretty good this year but as a whole the offensive side of the ball SUCKS at the top. look at those picks id say 4 out of every 5 are either a OLB, DE, DT or CB. you would think thats a good thing for the steelers who need olb and cb but not sitting at 22. unless they trade up they may miss out on the very good/great/elite guys

MFisH · Negus

i wouldn't mind this guy either...

Darryl (Baltimore, MD)

Who is this year's Odell Beckham? A guy who before all of the draft workouts wasn't a universally high pick and then skyrockets up the board.

Mel Kiper

(2:19 PM)

Breshard Perriman. 6-2, 213. Ran 4.2 at his pro day. Averaged almost 21 yards per catch the last two years. He has tremendous ball skills. He had some concentration drops this year, but he's a talented kid. He could be Dez Bryant in the NFL. He could go top 10. He tested off the charts. Made a lot of big plays.

6ixty · Young Money

a ton of good WRs this year.

6ixty · Young Money

uh oh fish. i actually think winston still goes first but a lot of people, including ur boy mayock, are starting to disagree with you...

With the Buccaneeers deliberately scheduling workouts and classroom sessions with quarterbacks Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota on consecutive days and with NFL Network’s Mike Mayock putting Mariota ahead of Winston on Mayock’s list of quarterback rankings, some are starting to wonder whether the gap between Winston and Mariota is actually a gap between Mariota and Winston.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/09/combine-numbers-show-clear-difference-between-winston-mariota/

along with the fact that johnny footballs rookie season was a much bigger failure than blaine gabberts, being wrong about the top QB 2 years in a row would easily put you ahead as the worst qb draft analyst on this forum.

MFisH · Negus

completely false on all accounts.

1. blaine gabbert is a bigger bust than manziel. blaine was a top 10 pick, manziel the 22nd and blaine will never be better than a bad backup qb while the jury is still out on manziel. I know you would like to rush to claim victory so you can rub it in my face, but 2 games does not decide a career.

2. I have a good history of diagnosing qb's going back to when I also said jake locker and chrisitan ponder would be busts, which if you want me to dig up the evidence on this forum I will.

3. I was the only one not high on RG3.

4. idk how u can say I'm wrong about Winston, because another analyst has him ranked #2 in the pre-draft workout? haha ridiculous statements but nice try.

6ixty · Young Money

i think being a solid backup qb is better than being in rehab but hey, well see where manziel is in 3 years.

no one said locker or ponder would be good NFL qbs so you cant take credit there

i was hoping to get ur fired up. i sorta worked but you have matured a bit since this forum was created. that would have been a full day debate back in the day haha

MFisH · Negus

i def knew what you were trying to do, however i dont have the time i use to at work to dig up old arguments and come up with stats in my favor. one day you will get me

Jpoo · Guru

Mock 3.0 - Final

1)TB Buccaneers - Jaemis Winston, QB, FSU (If he can get over his off field nonsense, dude's gonna be really good.)

2)TEN Titans - Marcus Mariota, QB, ORE (Idk if the Titans will take him, but he's gonna get drafted #2 overral.)

3)JAX Jaguars - Dante Fowler, DE, FL ( A young burgeoning defense gets better, no true need on Offense with how much they put into it last year, they keep building)

4)OAK Raiders - Leonard Williams, DT, USC ( I originally penciled in Kevin White here, but I think the thought of pairing Khalil Mack with this beast is just too good to pass up, they'll get a WR in round 2)

5)WAS Redskins - Randy Gregory, DE, Nebraska (I think the talent is too good to pass up despite the off season red flags, Redskins don't have a problem with checkered past players)

6)NY Jets - Amari Cooper, WR, Alabama (This was a tough call for me, a pass rusher really wouldn't surprise me either, but lets be real despite trading for Brandon Marshall he's in the twilight of his career, they get Cooper to step in once he's dunzo)

7)CHI Bears - Kevin White, WR, WV (They added a lot of pieces to their D this FA period, so they help Smokin' Jay out... and besides Alshon can you name a WR on their roster?

8)ATL Falcons - Vic Beasley, DE/OLB, Clemson ( Another easy one, Falcons can't rush the passer for ****)

9)NY Giants - Brandon Scherff, OT/G, IOWA ( No Amari here to make Reese salivate, so he goes intelligent, Scherff can slide into RT or RG from day one and strengthen this line considerably)

10)StL Rams - DeVante Parker, WR, LOUISVILLE (Despite the absurd number of picks they've spent on WRs over the past few years, they've still yet to find a true #1, they hope the search is over w/ Parker in house)

11)MIN Vikings - Trae Waynes, CB, MICH ST. (They need someone to play opposite Rhodes, a true gift falls into their laps)

12)CLE Browns - Danny Shelton, DT, WASHINGTON (Their Run D was awful last year thanks in large part to ineffective tackles Ahytha Rubin and Phil Taylor, this guy should help give a nasty streak to that run D)

13)NO Saints - Alvin Dupree, OLB/DE, KENTUCKY (Their defense was just atrocious last year. Whats the best way to mask a poor D? Get to the passer, Dupree is perfect for that)

14)MIA Dolphins - Dorial Beckham-Greene, WR, ??? (If this dude wasn't such an idiot, he'd be top 5, the Dolphins are dumb and will take a chance here)

15)SF 49ers - Malcolm Brown, DT, TEXAS (This defense has lost so much this off season, they need to start rebuilding... Not to mention their former D-Line coach is now their head coach)

16)HOU Texans - Breshard Perriman, WR, CENTRAL FLORIDA (Can you name any WR's on their roster besides Hopkins? Me either.)

17)SD Chargers - Cameron Erving, OT/G/C, FLORIDA ST (I had Gurley here, but I think they're more concerned about the interior of that O-line, Erving should be a godsend especially after the retirement of Nick Hardwick)

18)KC Chiefs - La'El Collins, OT, LSU (Obvi)

19)CLE Browns - Shane Ray, OLB, Mizzou (Despite the pot arrest and possible foot issue, the Browns just can't help themselves and pick up this possible stud)

20)PHI Eagles - Nelson Agholor, WR, USC ( A recent riser, could fit in very nicely, an obvious need filled)

21)CIN Bengals - Arik Armstead, DE/DT, OREGON (Their D wasn't its usual stand out self last year, gotta get some fresh blood)

22)PIT Steelers - Jalen Collins, CB, LSU (No duh)

23)DET Lions - Eddie Goldman, DT, FSU (They're possibly going to lose both Suh and Fairley... they need DT's)

24)ARZ Cardinals - Todd Gurley, RB, GEORGIA (Him and Ellington will make a dirty dirty combo, we all know they're looking for a power back after flirting with trading for AP all off season, here they get a possible AP 2.0)

25)CAR Panthers - Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M (This O-line needs all the help it can get, they have Oher penciled in as their LT!!!!!!!)

26)BAL Ravens - Jalen Strong, WR, ARZ St. (They lost Torrey and the rest of their WRs are no names, they get a nice playmaker here)

27)DAL Cowboys - Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin (This would be an absolute dream for them, easy pick)

28)DEN Broncos - Eric Kendricks, ILB, UCLA (They're switching to a 3-4 under new DC Wade Phillips, they need another backer in the middle)

29)IND Colts - Landon Collins, S, BAMA (Their Safeties are mostly a joke, a huge gift falls into their laps here)

30)GB Packers - Jordan Phillips, NT, OKLAHOMA (The future of the center of that defense)

31)NO Saints - Maxx Williams, TE, MINNESOTA (Jimmy Graham replacement)

32)NE Patirots - Marcus Peters, CB, WASHINGTON (Need I say anything? Browner and Revis both gone!)

Ereck Flowers fell out of the first here jsut due to need picking, I fully expect him to go somewhere in the first though.

MFisH · Negus

- that's a lot of WR's! 3 in the top 10 and 7 overall, would that be a record?

- I think eagles go corner round 1 but def wouldn't surprise me if they went WR obviously.

- I think the jets would be morons if they went WR #6 overall with marhsall and decker already there. you don't draft a 3rd WR when your drafting in the top 6, but hey, its not like the jets haven't surprised me before.

- I think gurely goes in the top 20, maybe even 15. mcshay had him #6 which means he's hearing rumors teams are really high on him. I think someone trades up to get him.

Jpoo · Guru

-After the success of WRs last year I think GMs switch it up and go all in on the position (even if it might not be a smart move)

-Can't disagree with you, I just think CB is awful this year and you're better off going elsewhere

-If you're getting AJ Green 2.0, is it really that dumb? Cause thats what they're calling Cooper... I think it makes perfect sense... They need a QB and a Pass Rusher, neither of which are worth it at that pick.... BPA baby

-I agree, just couldn't pick where (I'm really feeling a Giants Dark Horse for Gurley, I wouldn't hate it....

6ixty · Young Money

you dont like the CB class? I think its fantastic, even beyond the big names.

i would be happy with any of these guys in round 1

marcus peters (god i hope the steelers dont pass then the ravens pounce)
trey waynes (duh)
kevin johnson
byron jones
eric rowe
jalen collins

in that order. i could honestly see them all going round 1. then theres dorian grant, PJ williams, the guy from miami of ohio, and some other day 2-3 guys.

could be a good "put it on the board" bet. over under 3.5 CBs picked in round 1. I also think jalen collins is the 4th or 5th CB taken.

still want Peters more than anyone!

MFisH · Negus

decent mock from PK. this is the guy I mentioned yesterday as a possibility for the eagles we must have the same sources!

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/04/28/peter-king-2015-nfl-mock-draft/

20. Philadelphia: Damarious Randall, FS/CB, Arizona State

Very close to two others here: Jaelen Strong or nimble Oregon tackle Jake Fisher. I just want to drive WIP radio crazy; that’s all. I’ll be listening for the gasp from the crowd at the draft party in Philadelphia if the little-known Randall is the pick. “WHO?!!!!! KELLY, YOU’RE NUTS!!!!!” Well, Philadelphians, I’ll tell you this much, to assuage your anger, if it helps: Randall’s become a sexy pick late in round one over the past couple of weeks. Chip Kelly knows he’ll be able to score enough points, and he knows he can get useable receivers down the line. He wants a player with a defensive presence who has a chance to make plays somewhere on D, and the Eagles think Randall can do that.

Jpoo · Guru

I'm crossing my heart he falls to the Giants in two, not a nuts pick at all, he's Mayock's #1 safety and I've learned Mayock knows his ****.

6ixty · Young Money

an endorsment from PFT on randall

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/29/damarious-randalls-stock-rises-into-the-first-round/

maybe i should start looking into this guy as a fit for the steelers.

6ixty · Young Money

happy draft day! ur boy is giddy with excitement and cant remember the last time i had so little idea of what my squads gonna do. hopefully everyone likes their picks, and is there anything better than an NFL draft on a thursday night?

Jpoo · Guru

I kinda ****ed up, had my sister pre buy Age of Ultron tickets for tonight anout a month and a half ago, sooo I'll be knee deep in Avengers geekiness during the draft oops!

6ixty · Young Money

also, where is danny with his mock?

6ixty · Young Money

haha not a bad alternative. i hear great things about the movie

MFisH · Negus

wow josh that's a huge mistake on your part, already got a D on mel kipers report card.

i'm extremely excited as well, its amazing how much buzz there is for the eagles to move up from 20 to 2, i don't think people realize how much it will take up to move that high and how much that effects things in the future by losing picks, players of both. plus, as i've said before, i think really highly of bradford so i dont see the need to give up so much to get another qb, esp if its a player like flecther cox who ive heard in the rumors (i doubt he gets traded). with that said, if eagles do somehow manage to get mariotta i'm sure i will talk myself into the move faster than chris johson's combine 40.

i think eagles stay put at 20 and draft that ASU saftey or go WR if one of the bigger names starts to drop which definitely could happen since apparently they're so many good ones available. then 2mrw chip is gonna look at the media and be like "why did you think trading up 18 spots was realistic again?" regardless, its gonna be a long 10 minutes after that 1st pick is made...

CAN'T WAIT!

6ixty · Young Money

i agree its a long shot that the eagles move all the way up and get mariota but dont act like you wouldnt be doing backflips if they did. the potential of mariota is so far beyond bradfords especially in that system with the coach who brought it to the nfl that you cant help but be excited if it happnens.

danny gets a D as well for promising a mock draft. im still not sure whther he will do it but there def wont be time to pick it apart.

MFisH · Negus

like i said, i would talk myself into the trade very quickly, but at the same time, if the price is 2 1st rounders and kendricks and cox i won't be happy either. with that said, i would be VERY surprised if the eagles made the move

MFisH · Negus

another reason i dont think the eagles will trade for mariota, and its because of sam bradford. if they eagles trade for mariota, they obviously would have to trade bradford, but he has made it clear to other teams he is not willing to sign an extension unless it with the eagles...and only with them if they included a no trade clause. so why would a team trade a high 1st round pick for a qb with 1 year left on his deal and has said he won't re-sign? i dont see any team taking that risk, esp for someone like bradford with his history of injures. and if eagles can't unload bradford, i dont see them having enough picks/players to make the move from 20 to 2.

Jpoo · Guru

... You know the Browns would do it, come on, they're the Browns

MFisH · Negus

haha there is that. you would think after drafting manziel in the 1st last year they wouldnt be so eager to risk another 1st on a qb this year for 1 year, but yeah if there was a team to do it, it would be them.

6ixty · Young Money

such a browns move.

again going back to how this draft seems even crazier than usual. it hasnt even been announced that winston is the fist pick yet. sure we all "know" he will but not only did the colts announce luck long before the draft but the trade for the #2 spot was done at least a day or 2 in advance.

Jpoo · Guru

Appearing on Sirius NFL Radio, FOX Sports Ohio's Zach Jackson said he would "not rule out" the Browns trading for Sam Bradford.

it's still alive...

MFisH · Negus

apparently the LSU tackle collins agent is trying to have him removed from the draft, and then later enter the supplemental draft, so he has enough time to clear his name. i guess the fear right now is he's going to drop to the middle rounds because teams are scared he might be involved in this murder or at least they don't have enough time to investigate it and don't want to risk a high pick on him

6ixty · Young Money

i wouldnt be surprised if he went complely undrafted since he wont be cleared by tonight obviously. yeah you can take a day 3 flier on him but it would be a lot worse than a lost contract if something comes of it.

would be the most sought after UDFA ever!

MFisH · Negus

interesting. i doubt he goes undrafted, i'm sure some team would throw a 5th or 6th rounder on him for a 1st round talent, but let say he does go undrafted, couldn't he then demand whatever amount of money he wanted for his first contract? i'm not saying he's gonna get a contract like a top 5 pick, but could he wait long enough to clear his name and then go to the higgest bidder? or maybe if he doesn't have enough leverage, could he sign a 1 year deal and then be an FA?

MFisH · Negus

MFisH wrote:
decent mock from PK. this is the guy I mentioned yesterday as a possibility for the eagles we must have the same sources!
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/04/28/peter-king-2015-nfl-mock-draft/
20. Philadelphia: Damarious Randall, FS/CB, Arizona State

randall has now moved up to #1 on mel kiper's big board for saftey's. is he changing his board because he is now finding out other teams/scouts think randall is going to be picked a lot higher than he initially thought or because he recently watched more film on him and missed something and now sees he has big time NFL talent??

i'm not a mel basher at all, but i think his big board should be based on how HE thinks these prospects will turn out, not where he expects them to be drafted which is how i think he is adjusting his board. now if his big board is just a top 10 of every player based off where people expect a player to be drafted then that's a different story, but i dont think its like that.

MFisH · Negus

any chance randy gregory falls to the eagles/steelers range?

6ixty · Young Money

i think there def is. problem is hes strictly a pass rusher and terrible in run support. that sounds a lot like the scouting report for jarvis jones. they are very similar players. steelers need a ROLB thats bigger and good against the run, not another jarvis.

id be very surprised if hes the steelers pick, especially after the bell/blount thing last year.

again, hoping similar concerns drop marcus peters down. thats a guy i can get on board with.

MFisH · Negus

trent dilfer is killing mariota. says he basically played "catch" at oregon meaning his #1 option was almost always open and if he wasn't mariota struggled to complete to option B. he did show an interested stat comparing him to other guys who were drafted recently. the stat was red zone efficiency vs teams in the power 5 conferences. basically guys like russell wilson, andrew luck and even winston all had like an 80% or higher completion percentage in the red zone (wilson was 100%) and all with vs high td/int ratios and then he showed 2 other guys, RG3 and manziel who were both closer to 40% or lower. guess who mariota compared closer to?

with that said, he did throw 9 tds/0 ints and ran for 4 more, but the point being if he isn't in the spread, he might have a difficult time completing these types of passes in a pro style offense like manziel and rg3 are now.

6ixty · Young Money

russel wilson had a 100% completion percentage for every pass thrown in the redzone against the big 5 conference his entire career? that doesnt even sound possible. if so jesus christ he should have been a first round pick. how the hell did every team miss on him twice?

like you said, hes also a saint off the field and could easily play baseball at the same time. i'd date that guy.

MFisH · Negus

he was 12/12 with like 4 tds.

everyone knew wilson was a great qb in college, his problem was he is like 5'10 and theres very little history of a qb under 6 foot succeeding in the pros.

with that said, in his first 3 years he is 6-2 in the playoffs and has been to the super twice so ya i think he should have been a much higher pick than what he was....or maybe that is just coaching and scheme. do you and danny want to argue that he would have been this good on every other team?

6ixty · Young Money

ur argument about coaching/scheme is a big circle that somehow always works out in chip kellys favor. im done with that argument.

MFisH · Negus

because it's true, almost every player chip has had in a feature role (starting qb, rb, wr) have put up career numbers under his coaching and his system.

the fact that danny can say something along the lines of coaching and scheme doesnt make a difference, and a qb is what he is no matter what just baffles me. this isn't basketball or baseball, these things matter almost as much as having talent