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so with nicks tanking trade should we update the league on the rules for trading players?  do you think if you do this type of trade that you are forced to keep them unless an injury occurs prior to the draft? josh, is there a quick way you can update the $ amount for everyone to see potential trades or would that take too long for you to do? 

also, should we have a trade deadline for all this? 



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I do not like tanking trades and am rather upset.


I will do the money tomorrow.

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you guys are acting like i traded bell for a guy on IR. whos to say bell will outscore ajayi for the rest of the season? ajayis got more points than bell since bell returned from suspension. been the #1 back in fantasy over the past 3 weeks and i dont see any reason for him to slow down. hes got 5 TDs to Bells 0 and is ranked in the top 5 in every ranking i can find.

of course i did it for a keeper but isnt that the point of keepers? do teams in the NFL get mad when other teams in their division trade guys for future draft picks? there were only 3 potential keepers i felt we worth it in david johnson OBJ and ajayi. i prolly wasnt getting the first two so i went and got the third.

i really dont see the problem in this. its not collusion im trying to better my team next season in a league weve been running for 10 years. the only reason to be angry is because mikeys team *might have* gotten better but if you had a potential stud keeper i would have proposed the trade to you as well -- and you wouldnt be angry about accepting it.



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I disagree, in theory you traded a 95+ player for a 82+ player because you're out of it and need a keeper. It's a trade that never would be made otherwise. Is it colluding? No, definitely not. Does it throw off the balance of power in a LARGE way? Absolutely, say what you want I still don't like it. IMO it's an unbalanced trade, period.

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I'm not going to veto the trade or anything, and I agree its not like you're trading a bum for a top 5 back as ajayi has put up better fantasy numbers this season but I need to put something in place to make sure this doesn't happen with someone else who wants a good keeper and doesn't care who they give up.  so that is why I am asking, do you think there should be a requirement to have to keep him for next year unless there is an injury?



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question for you guys, a handful of people have been bitching about the trades in our league recently with the bell for ajayi last week and then the josh/danny trade yesterday.  as a commish I feel like if 2 people think a deal is going to benefit them I do not feel like I should veto it due to something being "fair" in other peoples opinions but how do you feel about this?  should I be putting this to a vote or making someone add something to a deal based on how it looks on paper?  I always felt that as long as its not some crazy circumstance such as first place trading with last place a week before the playoffs, or someone acting in bad faith (like giving weed for a player) I shouldn't veto anything and leave it to the people involved if they make a bad deal or not. 

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i may have bitched about Nick's trade (now i look like a hypocrit, but im okay with that lol) but the only time a trade can be vetoed IMO is if it's straight up collusion. Otherwise teams can do whatever they want.

FYI that trade was 100% Danny offered, i started out in a totally different spot and he came back with that, so yea

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how many ppl are bitching about it?

it was only one week but if i hadnt made the bell-ajayi trade i would have lost last week and i beat the first place team so i did a number of ppl a favor. a lot of times trades arent as bad as they look on the surface and unless people know what the ppl doing the trade were thinking or discussing going back and forth they dont really know the whole story.

IMO ppl dont really get the right to veto a trade that they werent a part of. if both players agree to a trade (without collusion) then its fair. just because ppl value their own players so high and are afraid to make a trade doesnt mean others cant work to improve their team in any way possible. if ppl are afraid that joshs team or mikeys team are getting stronger than theirs because of a trade... then propose ur own to make ur team better.

I also think that trading away assets for keepers is part of being in a keeper league and that should be considered part of a fair deal. i didnt do it because i wanted mikey to win, i did it because i wanted ajayi.


all that said, danny is an idiot and i dont understand that trade at all.



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yeah and danny explained that to me.  it was just people like joe and brajer bitching that danny is an idiot and should have received more but like I said before, this is something danny thought would make his team better so why veto that? 

after I asked danny what his thought process was he asked why and I told him it was because a few people in the league weren't happy with it and thought it should be vetoed and that must have set him off or something.  he said:

"Fish, this league is dormant.  the only people who talk about it are you, nick and josh."

"honestly man, this league is horsesh*t.  nobody wants to trade. almost every trade I offer doesn't even get responded to."

ummm ok danny? so because there aren't a hundred trades that makes the league bad?  I know this league isn't what it use to be and that is partially my fault as I don't write weekly emails and there is very minimal interaction group wise, but is this fantasy league really any different than any other league where you don't see the other people in the league on a every day bases (such as an office or family league).  I've said it before, but if it wasn't for wanting to keep in touch with certain people from college I probably wouldn't even play fantasy anymore cuz I just don't care about fantasy like I used to.  this is my only league but is this league really that bad compared to other leagues??



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tell him to get on the forum and we can talk about the league all he wants haha

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he also has 100% of his FAAB budget left haha tell him to put some bids in and maybe he will enjoy it more. erm is the only other person who hasnt spent a dollar.

speaking of erm, fish ur below erm now?!

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doesn't help when your 3 best players get hurt in shady, big ben and hyde all in the same week! and now maclin is out plus hes been disappointing all year as well and oh yeah Hopkins has been the most disappointing non injured player in the league this year!



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Honestly, everyone sets their lineup and has a complete roster, you cant say that about half of the fantasy leagues out there. He is right though about non responses for trade offers (Erm is possibly the worst offender of this)

Either way, theres nothing wrong with our league, as years go on trading dwindles, idk why it just does. Im very happy with our league IMO...


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erm asked me once earlier this season how to search for players on the waiver wire... im not so sure hes even seeing your trades.



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oh he is, i text him to let him know, he just wont acknowledge me

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reason #1,567 why I hate fantasy football:

I've started ryan Mathews pretty much all season and before sundays game vs the falcons he had I think less than 10 COMBINED carries vs the giants/cowboys and it looked like he was either hurt or sproles took over due to his 4th quarter fumbles.  after the game last week vs dallas doug Pederson said sproles was now the lead back but he would try to work Mathews in more, however it wasn't looking good for him fantasy wise.  I was watching one of the pregame shows and adam schfter said carlos hyde was good to go so I figured what the hell, might as well put him in over Mathews and hope to get something out of him.  so what happens?  hyde gets me 1.4 points and Mathews has the best game of his career and scores 28.  final score of my game vs new mike?  91-80.

LOVE FANTASY



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Season in Dynasty is basically kaput, put LeSean on the block, got these offers....

LeSean & Hunter Henry for Derrick Henry & 2nd Round Pick

LeSean & Rishard Matthews for Michael Thomas & Matt Asiata (bleh)


Overall would you rather have Derrick Henry for his career or Michael Thomas?

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if its a dynasty league I would prolly lean towards henry.  RB > WR esp if your getting a 2nd round pick on top of that



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yeah first one no brainer

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but of course youre asking the two last place players in our league so prolly do what you thinks best haha

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woooow are we really 10-11-12 in fantasy??? hahaha geeze

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Lineup question for all the marbles....


Assuming AJ Green doesnt play....


Tyler Boyd vs Eagles
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Marquise Lee vs Broncos (not crazy look at his past few weeks)
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C.J. Fiedorowicz vs Green Bay


AND

Matt Stafford vs New Orleans
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Derek Carr vs Buffalo

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i like boyd and lee vs Broncos should be a very low scoring game.

the QB one is much more difficult. i love derek carr as a player but that finger looked nasty and who knows after the adreneline wore off. NO defense is absolutely pathetic.

i guess Id go boyd and stafford but dont blame me if im wrong.



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terrible season fellas.

and look at those week 13 scores. i cant imagine fighting for a playoff spot and scoring 36 like joe or 55 like danny

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i'm still kicking myself over the 1 time all season I didn't play ryan Matthews and he had his best game of the season.  if I started him over ANYONE I would have won that week and then I would only been a game back out of the playoffs vs josh's scrub team.  just kidding, my team is nothing special either but what's sad is that I actually think my team had potential with shady, hyde, big ben and jimmy graham.  my WR's killed me with maclin missing half the year and not being very good the other half and esp Hopkins.  you expected top 5-10 production out of him this year and he was nowhere near that.  the biggest problem for me the past few years has been the switch to the points in the waiver wire system.  I cant get a good feel for it, I either hold all my cap $ til the end and never use it on the right guy or I spend too much on the wrong guy early on and screws me out of someone I need.  and that's crucial in fantasy where most leagues are won by an injury and a waiver wire pickup esp when it comes down to bye weeks. 



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u guys check out the scores for the fantasy games last week?  it was 1st round of the playoffs and 3 of the 4 teams scored under 82 points haha.  the only team that scored more was brajer's team and that was due to nicks awesome trade of levon bell who scored 48 points himself haha. erm finally made the playoffs for the first time EVER and bells points alone would have outscored him 48 to 46 haha.  doesn't help that he started a RB who was inactive but hey that's erm for you.



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such a strange year. and it might only get worse with the spread offenses, multiple TEs, penalties generating more yards than players, etc.

oh well, guess theres always next year. id say mikey vs mike is a pretty safe bet for the ship

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