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some suprises last night on nfl top 100:

norman -> peterson -> sherman? Id take either of those guys over norman. and norman at 11 is pretty high
von miller at 15? behind khalil mack? i guess since they do the voting so early and he didnt turn up until the end of year and playoffs but come on!
aaron donald at 14? dude is an absolute force. i really though him and von would be in the top 10 - i thought even 5.
khalil mack at 13? seems pretty high for how young he is.
still not happy about russell wilson and cason palmer ahead of ben. and palmer at 12? I like him but please

i admit i didnt even watch it and some of these ranking prove how lame and unnecessary it is.

top 10 in no particular order:

brady
rodgers
watt
AB
ODB
AP
julio
kuechley
gronk
cam

8 offense and 2 defensive... what a time to be alive. not.

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looks like this has a chance to be funny:

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/31162/jon-grudens-qb-camp-with-brett-favre-looked-like-1995-vintage-favre

brett favre still has a cannon!



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4 game suspension for Le'Veon

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yeah he can go f*ck himself.

2 of the top 4 players on what was supposed to be the best offense in the nfl suspended for weed. ben, bell, AB and bryant didnt even get a snap together last year because of this and injuries and id be suprised if all 4 of them were ever on the field together again.

such a shame, and so frustrating.

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Now Ezekiel Elliot's GF posted pics on instagram of bruises she got from him supposedly, not a good fantasy day for 1st round RB's

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haha man the nfl is a mess, almost as bad as the UFC.

fish, you #teamODB or #teamNorman? I know what Josh is but you have to pick between 2 division rivals. personally, i find them both as annoying as can be. OBJ is a great player but its hard to like him as a person. same goes for norman, although i see him as a bit more mature. either way gonna be fun to watch them square off this year.

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Norman was getting burned by OBJ all day that game.... Doesn't stop Odell from being a moron unfortunately though

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i was thinking about this the other day actually haha and norman is by far the #1 most annoying player for me.  I'm not a fan of annoying loud mouth corners who always try to bring attention to themselves (*cough* Sherman, but at least hes smart and funny where norman is neither) and their game plan is to try to get under the skin of someone rather than try to play them as a man straight up. I couldn't stand him last year on the panthers, and now you add that he is a redskin and I have to listen to him even more making him my least favorite player in awhile.  obd at least backs it up on the field and I don't really mind him other than the fact he plays for the giants.  I like his dance moves and think hes pretty creative there, his head is starting to get pretty big tho so we'll see what happens there but with his talent I think he'll be fine.  norman on the other hand, man how about you do it for more than a season before you think you're the best player in the league which is what he said on the players top 100 which did not surprise me at all. He had one of the best front 7's in the league, is normally playing with the lead and had a great defensive coaching staff that made him look better.  theres not a great history of 1 year all pro cornerbacks switching teams/systems and having the same results with the new team, I hope he gets torched over and over again so I don't have to hear his loud ass all season, as well as their fans.



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is bell on the last year of his deal as well?



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yeah. thought they might get something done with him after the wrap up decastro but no way they will negotiate with him now. i figure they will let the suspension play out, see how his knee holds up, if he has any other incidents and either talk long term or franchise him after the season.

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This affecting your keeper decision for this year nick?

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ugh yeah for sure. and btw i may have a pretty serious conflict with the draft this year. im going to spain august 30th - sept 10th and the season starts sept 8th. gonna have to do it early

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Lets lock it down early, only unavailable dates for me are Aug 26th and Sept. 6 The week of the 22nd may be our best bet

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greeeaat, thanks nick for the great scheduling!! haven't you learned by now you should only schedule a vaca during your teams bye week! SMH

well, that hurts things since I like to schedule the draft after week 3 of the preseason games which is august 25th-28th. braj's wedding is the 26th so I'm assuming he will the busy from the 28th on and maybe even a day or 2 before that.  if your gone from the 30th on that means we have to do it like the 25th or 27th and pray nobody big gets hurt in that week of games.

i'll send out an email early in august and try to lock down a date for everyone, I feel like braj is gonna be the biggest issue tho.  



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Mikey already told me he's an absolute no go for the entire wedding weekend 26-28 (his wedding is the 26th) so the 29th might be the day

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true, the 29th might be the best day...however, is braj going on his honey moon that week?

nick, does that day potentially work for u?



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MFisH wrote:

true, the 29th might be the best day...however, is braj going on his honey moon that week?

nick, does that day potentially work for u?


paul just told me his honey moon is that week.  so now we're back to 8/22-8/24 hopefully.



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damn second year in a row the bears first pick may be out before training camp. tough luck.

gotta love training camp getting underway. where the hell did the summer go?? heres to no major injuries to our teams, just our rivals ;)

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i heard Floyd got carted off but they didn't say what the injury is just yet right?  and let's not get ahead of our self's too quickly about injuries to our teams, I'm pretty sure the eagles haven't even had a full practice yet with the entire team.

I never root for injuries, but I do love seeing my rival teams guys get suspended like randy Gregory.  I guess for every success story of guys falling in the draft who then go on to become awesome players (like the honey badger) there are just as many like him who fall for a reason and then that reason comes back to bite that team in the ass!  great pick jerry jones, there are reports that dallas fears he may never play for them again... 



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i meant heres to no on GETTING injured throughout camp and the preseason. sorry if that was confusing.

nothing better than seeing mike wallace, one of the fastest and most athletic WRs in the league, failing his conditioning test haha. HOW?

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Profootballtalk reports "retirement remains an option" for Ladarius Green as he deals with recurring headaches.
Per Mike Florio, "rumors" of Green's headaches have been circulating since the beginning of camp. In a bit of unnecessary deception, the Steelers had been insisting Green's absence was related to his offseason ankle surgery. Florio reports the Steelers could "eventually" release Green if the headaches do not subside. With the news finally out in the open, developments figure to come at a rapid pace. It goes without saying Green should no longer be drafted as a TE1. He's a high-risk TE2 flier.


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haha yeah seriously. i call BS thou all the steelers writers reporting on it are saying florios an idiot. im sure theres something there but hes also been jogging on the other fields which i doubt he could do it he was still concussed.

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I 2nd the Florio an idiot motion, i barely read PFT anymore

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yeah i usually check the steelers pages when i get into work before checking pft for any major news about other teams.

I see you picked up that fact from a fantasy site, prepping for the worst? (sunday)

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honestly, i have a first year dynasty draft on the 16th, so I'm prepped for a moments notice draft if need be lol

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damn 4 of the top 5 teams in NFL are in the NFC, how you feel about being in the weaker conference again nick?

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17319873/nfl-2016-preseason-power-rankings-seattle-seahawks-arizona-cardinals-top-new-england-patriots-behind

they have the eagles at 25th?? I agree they are not going to be a powerhouse this season, but I also doubt they will be one of the worst 5-7 teams in football this season but I guess we'll see...



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woohoo steelers at 6!

with manning retiring and brady being out im not surprised and agree with those 4 NFC teams being in the top 5 but the NFC is VERY top heavy. the AFC has 9 of the next 11 teams. so thru and thru I think the AFC is the better conference.

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the afc is better cuz you have a bunch of more average teams??  that's like saying the east in the NBA is better than the west only after you remove the warriors, the spurs, the clippers and the thunder but our 4-8 seeds are better than your 4-8 seeds!  come on man, that makes no sense to say after removing the 4 best teams in the league the AFC is better cuz we you have more .500 teams than you!!!



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so in your opinion the afc east has been the best division in football over the past 10 years because they have the team with the most super bowls?

how is 6 thru 16 average? last i checked 16 teams make the playoffs and the AFC has 10 of the top 16. comparing the two top to bottom the AFC is better.



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ehh, when someone asks "who is the better conference" I tend to lean towards where more of the better teams are. In this situation, 4 of the best 5 teams are in one conference.  if the argument was who is the more well balanced division, then yes I would say the AFC is more balanced. 

but as you know, in the nfl only 6 teams make the playoffs, so if 4 of those 6 are the 5 best teams in the league, yea I prolly wouldn't want to have to go through that conference if that was my favorite team.  unfortunately for me, I prolly don't have to worry about that this season as I would be happy with a 9-7 season.  you on the other hand, this should be the year the steelers take advantage of not having to potentially face brady/manning or at least face the pats at home if they don't get off to a great start.

who you more worried about tho, the bengals or ravens?

 



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Order of fear:

1. Jags
2. Bengals
3. Pats
4. Broncos
5. Raiders

considering the bengals would rather injure the steelers players than win playobg them scares me more than anyone  


Ravens will beat us once but we won't see them in the playoffs. I like the raiders and Texans a lot but jags are second best team in the afc behind the steelers.

Joking, sorta.



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i know you're joking about the jags but I also know you are serious about them being good and I want to be on record saying I am not buying the hype.  yes they have a lot of young talent that looks good on paper, but I think the talent is still too young.  ramsey, fowler, jack are all basically rookies, and you don't win in the nfl with rookies and 2nd year players.  I'm not buying the blake bortles hype just yet either.  he put up really good fantasy numbers last season which is making people think he is better than he is, but in reality, he put up big passing numbers cuz his team was down by 20 every week and they were playing prevent half the game.  I'm still not a fan of his (yet) and still think the jags are another year or 2 away and maybe even a new coach.  funny how 3 years ago the eagles almost hired gus Bradley but instead went with chip.  love how they get trashed for how bad they are but over the past 3 years:

eagles: 27-21

jags: 12-36

with Andrew luck coming back I still got colts ahead of them and I don't see the jags winning enough to get a wild card either.  this looks like a 7-9 team to me. 

and you're not scared of the ravens?  are you being serious about that because the ravens not only beat the steelers twice last year, they also had an extreme amount of bad luck that is probably not going to happen again.  on top of their what seemed like 10 best players having season ending injuries, they also started the year with 12(!) straight 1 score games going 4-8 in them which probably will not happen again either.  I don't think ravens win the division, but I could see them going for a wild card and def think they are better than the jags.



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the difference between the eagles and the jags is the jags are going thru the rebuild that the eagles SHOULD have gone thru. since the time the two were hired the jags now have a young franchise qb, two fantastic WR, a franchise LT and chris ivory on offense plus fowler, ramsey, jack and colvin, 4 top prospects, on D. that is extremely solid.

since chip was hired the eagles gained mathews, bradford and wentz who is redshirting this year and lost djax, maclin, mccoy and the demarco murray fiasco.

thats why one coach is still there and the other is gone. record is one thing, trajectory is another.


as for the ravens - they are getting old man. who on their offense scares anyone? they have worse skill position players than the browns. and the defense lost its best player, a 30 some year old OLB to a torn achilles last year. he wont be the same. they will beat us once for sure because we always play each other close but i really dont think theyre that good right now.

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top 25 players in the league according to espns rankings:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/2016NFLRank25x1/2016-nflrank-25-1-nfl-best-greatest-players-jj-watt-houston-texans-aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers



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this looks much closer to my top 5 guess for the NFLN one. cant believe miller and donald were so low on that. guess the playoffs helped von a lot.

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how does everyone feel about their team now that the preseason is basically over? for me, I had very low expectations prior to camp but after watching them destroy the colts in the most important 3rd preseason game I am back in!  just kidding, kinda.  in all seriousness, after last season when the eagles looked like super bowl contenders after their first 3 preseason games with Bradford going 10-10 with 3tds in game 3 I promised myself i would never trust the preseason again and I still wont.  WITH THAT SAID, i am hoping certain things still translate regardless of things being vanilla or not such as a dline dominating which they have done in every game so far.  not that the colts have a great oline or anything, but man luck was hit about 8-10 times in the half he played, and if any team can get consistent pressure that can fix a lot of issues a defense can have, and for us that is weak corners.  

on offense, I still think the lack of a playmaking WR is going to hurt us, but saw far I liked what I saw out of the new (or is it old?) offense and if the oline can give Bradford a clean pocket he has shown he can pick a team apart with the intermediate routes.  that looks to be the key to the teams success, a much improved D with a great dline brining a lot of pressure, strong running game and a lot of intermediate routes with the TEs/backs/ and slot WR's in huff and Matthews.  I think the eagles are going to surprise some people and contend for the division, esp with romo out which can only help us.

  



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ahhh FOOTBALLS BACK! what a great week of games. I cant remember a regular season weekend with as many close ones, and that may be fact as yesterday was the first time in 60 some years that 3 teams won by 1 point on opening day. and that was just in the 1PM games.

some thoughts:

jags and raiders are on their way to being good. the raiders pulled off a crazy win in NO (LOVE LOVE LOVE the 2 point attempt regardless of whether or not they got it, very mike tomlin esque) and the jags came 7 yards away from beating the vegas SB favorites. the raiders might be a bit ahead of the jags since they are more experienced, but both of these teams are headed i the right direction. similarly, im sure no one was afraid of my fantasy team immediately after the draft but im 37 points up in the self proclaimed best team in the league with a kicker to play.

carson wentz had a great game and looked like the truth.... against the browns. they are still a weak team, especially on defense, so i'm excited to see what the eagles do next week and especially week 3 vs the stillers. still, very very encouraging returns on your rookie and you should be very excited fish.

dak played well for what he is. he mananged the game well and didnt turn it over i dont think. he also didnt light up the place like many people thought he would. he will continue to get better but hes still no tony romo.

this is why san diego cannot have nice things. up by 17 points in the 4th and they found a way to lose it. they are a perrenial dumpster fire with phillip rivers as a disguise. i never got the hype when they were getting it and really dont think they will be good for a long time.

much of those 3 sentences also applies to andy lucks colts.

ravens and bengals pulled wins out of their asses. really wish the jets came through. stupid kickers.

russell wilson could be hurt worse than he let on. its great that he never missed a game but that led the hawks to carry 2 qbs, and the backup is an undrafted rookie. their season could hinge on that ankle.

garapallo did real well for what he needed to do in that game. cards should have won but handed another afc contender a cheap win. stupid kickers.

steelers vs skins tonight. super pumped for this one, especially to see how the new secondary plays vs djax and reed. offense is banged up ATM but with ben and AB i dont really worry who else is out there. should be a good week 1 test. dont love that its at 7PM but lets get it started already!!

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great recap, I wish I could add more but i'll be honest, I didn't get a chance to watch much of the other games with my only focus being on the 2016 rookie of the year carson wentz leading the eagles to victory #1 of his promising career.  before I give you some notes on this, lets address the fantasy dig you took at me...

- I never said I was the best team in the league but I do think I have a solid team and while I wish I wasn't down by 38 points with big ben and hyde still left to play you never know.

- I only made fun of your team cuz you drafted like 4 jaguars, but you traded/cut most of them away so I guess you realized I was right all along...

ok, eagles notes...

- I LOVED what I saw from wentz.  let me preference that statement by saying I know it was vs the browns who are probably the worst team in the league but still.  anyway, when you judge a qb you look for certain traits, things like standing tall in the pocket and not looking scared once rushers get close (cough *Bradford*), making a perfect throw when a blitzing LB is coming at him, the accuracies of his deep passes, the ability to make the correct audible at the line, etc.  you gotta remember, this kid barley played all preseason due to the rib injury, and when he was in he didn't play with the starters at all, and on 8 days notice he comes in and plays a great game and almost throws for 300 yards with no turnovers.  very impressive and I'm very excited for the first time in a while the eagles have a young qb to build around.  hopefully as he gets more comfortable with the playbook the offense will open up even more, maybe have some read option looks in there to get the run game going more as well.   

- the eagles d looked great as well but I think that had more to do with how bad rg3 is.  I said this when I watched him in preseason but after watching another full game its the same thing with him, he holds on to the ball too long and his only form of offense is the deep pass.  he completed 2 big ones against us which is the only reason why they got 10 points, but u cant put up consistent drives like that, and if he didn't complete a deep pass they basically went 3 and out.  on top of that he still takes too many big hits and our corner got him on one towards the end of the game and he is already hurt.  he will not last the entire season as the starter and hopefully the browns enjoy watching the guy they passed up on in wentz all season!  



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Giants time!

- The much maligned offensive line looked okay! The sky isn't falling!

-Giants managed to average 4.7 YPC, if they can keep that up all year they're going to score A LOT of points

-The RunD is going to be REALLY good this year, Snacks and Hankins is just an absolute wall, not to mention Vernon was dominant in terms of Run D

-Pressure wasn't great until the 2nd half, I'm not worried about this (I think Vernon is going to wind up being WELL worth the money)

-Peace Fat Randy you suck as a kicker, welcome back Josh Brown

-The second Dak saw ANY pressure his throws were terrible, he's a rookie and not the budding superstar everyone made him out to be. A lot more growing for him to do.

-I need to mute the TV next time Buck/Aikman announce, they literally spent the entire game verbally jerking off Elliot and Dak with few mentions of Giants (Where was the praise for Shepards AWESOME TD grab?)

-Eli gonna Eli, nuff said.

-I'm looking forward to watching this defense going forward

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haha yeah i get that the cowboys are a huge market but they are *always* the late national game and *always* have those homers making the call. i was locked on NFL redzone all day to avoid the monotomy of one game but the cowboys/giants dominated redzone even thou they were the nat'nl game.

when do the giants/eagles play first?

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Late, not till Nov 6

I think we'll realistically know what kinda teams we have at that point

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about a week ago after trading away the teams starting qb if you said the eagles would go 7-9 I would have been ok with that but after yesterdays performance I'm thinking playoffs! just kidding, kind of...

for starters, I once again understand the win yesterday was vs the browns, but hey at least it was a convincing W right?  it's not like they snuck out with a last second FG to win, that would have been a concern.  last season eagles didn't have a good win until like week 5, so i'm just happy to look like a professional team again and I'm really trying to contain my excitement but the eagles do have a very favorable schedule to start the season with the bears next week on MNF, then the steelers, a bye, and then lions and skins.  bears and lions are very winnable and the steelers/skins games will be a good tests (esp the skins) to see if they can play with potential playoff teams or if they are still a year or so away.  if eagles lose to the bears and/or lions then I will go back to being happy with a 7-9 season and hope that wentz continues to develop and build for next year, but if they go 3-2 or 4-1 in that first stretch then I will feel like they can compete for a division title.  the defense is there, the oline was great yesterday and if wentz can make plays like he did yesterday and not turn over the ball this team will win its fair share of games. 



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YOU LIKE THAT

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very pleased with last nights results.  skins fans are coming back down to reality that they are not true contenders although today they are trying to convince themselves it was one bad game against a better team.  that could be true, but most true contenders don't get smoked at home like that esp when the other team is missing key players.  sure the skins have a shot at the division still but I think best case for them is another 9-7 season and hope they sneak into the playoffs if the division is bad again.  But in reality, this team is never going to do anything serious with cousins as their QB.  they have no running game, apparently cant stop the run, and if you make cousins do everything he's not good enough to consistently win, or even beat good teams in general.  I feel like they are pretty much the same version of last years team, and while I'm not saying the eagles are clearly better than them, I think we can play with them this year and our future is much brighter with a qb that is still going to get better where I don't see that with the skins. 



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The playbook is out on cousins, don't even need to rush him, play a thick zone and make him find the open man. He's a scam artist, does not deserve that 20m... IMO if the Giants lose the division this year it'll be a travesty... I'll be curious to see what Wentz does against a slightly competent defense this week in the bears.

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i feel the same way about wentz.  loved what I saw and am excited for the future, but for this season I want to see how he looks vs an actual NFL defense (and on the road) before I will determine if the eagles have a chance for the division or not.  with that said, i still think its a joke to think the eagles are a bottom 5 team like some people thought due to their defense being much improved from last year which will help them win some games but yeah without a decent qb no team will go far as the rams are seeing now.

 



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"I feel like they are pretty much the same version of last years team"

exactly. and i get why someone like sherman can remain on one side of the field regardless of who he covers because the rest of the defense including the opposite CB and both safeties can make up for the weak side but c'mon how many times does breeland have to get smoked before you at least try norman on the right? that was embarrassing for him and i feel like it was more the coaches fault than his own.

very pleased with last night. first quarter had me a little worried but once the offense started clickng it was fun to watch. gonna be hard to pull either dwill or rogers off the field when guys get healthy, rogers will prolly stay in slot, and even jessie james had like 5 for 50 yards. like i said, as long as ben and AB are on the same page it really doesn't matter who else is out there. really really excited for this season.

*are* the bears a competent defense thou? real test comes week 3 ;). for now i have gmen, iggles, skins, boys in that order until see more from wentz.

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no the bears aren't a legitimate threat either, but its like stepping stones for wentz's progress, first he played the worst team in the nfl in the browns, then the test gets slighter harder with a not great but not awful bears team and then (*gulp*) the stillers come to town for the real challenge.  I guess what i am interested to see is if the bears come out and dominate the eagles and wentz looks lost then that will prove hes not ready and maybe last week was just a good performance vs a horrible team and he has a lot of work still.  that will show the eagles have no chance this season and this season will basically be a growing period for wentz improvements.  but if wentz does play well and the eagles do win, then it shows the eagles have a chance against these lesser teams and then who knows what will happen down the line.



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"I feel like they are pretty much the same version of last years team"
exactly. and i get why someone like sherman can remain on one side of the field regardless of who he covers because the rest of the defense including the opposite CB and both safeties can make up for the weak side but c'mon how many times does breeland have to get smoked before you at least try norman on the right? that was embarrassing for him and i feel like it was more the coaches fault than his own.

 


 An espn reporter said this: One issue the Redskins want to avoid is tipping off their coverages. It's another reason why they're reluctant to have one corner isolated on a receiver. Add it to the reasons why they didn't have Josh Norman simply cover Antonio Brown Monday night. If Norman is lined up opposite Brown, it would signal man coverage and the Redskins like to mix up their looks. They could clearly do it more if they wanted, but it's among the reasons they're reluctant to do so, coach Jay Gruden said



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ok but maybe tipping off you coverage is the lesser of 2 evils? breeland couldnt cover AB in man OR in zone haha

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